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AndyS 03-03-2020 10:27 AM

More beach replenishment 3/2/20:
 
Long Branch, NJ – Today, Congressman Frank Pallone, Jr. (NJ-06) announced additional beach replenishment projects in Long Branch, Sea Bright, and Monmouth Beach. Pallone said that additional federal dollars will allow for expanded work in these Monmouth County towns.

“I’m pleased to announce these additional replenishment projects that will be critical to our beaches and communities in Coastal Monmouth,” Congressman Pallone said. “Restoration projects like beach replenishment ensure our beautiful beaches will remain safe and enjoyable for residents and tourists for years to come. I would like to thank Colonel Asbery and the Army Corps of Engineers staff for their dedication to this important work.”

The Army Corps plans to do the work on the expanded projects in the fall of 2020 through spring 2021. In Long Branch, sand will be placed in the northern part of Long Branch from south Broadway to Joline Avenue. The additional replenishment projects in Sea Bright will begin at the southernmost border of Sea Bright near Sunrise Way and continue north to Island View Way. Another replenishment project will begin at Trade Winds Lane north to Sea Bright Borough Hall. In Monmouth Beach, the additional beach replenishment project begins in the area around Cottage Road and continues to Monmouth Beach’s northern border.

The Congressman noted that the Army Corps should complete the original beach replenishment projects awarded last year in the Monmouth County Shore towns before the summer. “The original project for Monmouth Beach from the Monmouth Beach Bathing Pavilion near Valentine Street north to Cottage Road was completed in January. The original Sea Bright project from Island View Way north to Tradewinds Lane was completed in February. The project in Long Branch originally awarded last year is expected to start and be completed between April and June 2020. This includes the area in West End from Howland Avenue south to Sycamore Avenue in Elberon,” Pallone said.

Following Superstorm Sandy, Congressman Pallone requested the Federal Emergency Management Agency allocate emergency funding to address immediate needs of impacted homeowners and businesses, as well as repair breached dunes and damaged beaches to protect New Jersey’s coastal areas from future flooding. As a result, the beaches from Sea Bright south to Manasquan were filled, which was the largest beach replenishment project ever undertaken by the Army Corps.

Fishguy1 03-03-2020 01:29 PM

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Welfare for the rich.

shucker 03-03-2020 02:07 PM

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I guess there working there way up, our southern beachfront has been worthless for fishing. There is zero clams, crabs and inverts along our beaches now, the water gets very silty after a 1 day blow and takes a few days to clear up. Buy yeah the million dollar homes and snob people that own beachfront property's got what the want with no regard for marine life, the Amy corps of engineers and our government is a joke in this state

Fishguy1 03-03-2020 02:32 PM

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It's a bad idea who's time has passed. Most of the federal and state money being spent is for private property owners private beaches, or the access is so limited they might as well be private. It's welfare for the rich.
I had several conversations with a crew boat captain during the last replenishment and I asked him straight up, "Isn't this all just pissing in the wind? All that sand will be taken away sooner than later." He replied, "That's exactly what this is."
Here we are about 4 years later...

RAMMFISH66 03-03-2020 03:31 PM

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Monmouth beach was replenished a couple of years ago and all of the sand at the north end, passed the jetty,was washed back into the ocean...a total waste of $$$ and time...but it looks good on his record since he helped the rich beachfront home owners...

Merle31483 03-03-2020 03:53 PM

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If this is all with federally funded money aka tax paying dollars the all these beaches should be made public regardless of who owns beach front property and the private lots along route 36 from sea brite south should also become public parking just saying...

Fishguy1 03-03-2020 04:27 PM

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Abso-fu**ing-lutely.

Billfish715 03-03-2020 10:04 PM

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There is no stopping or changing the constant flow of water from Sandy Hook down the beach. If you've ever witnessed some of the tide lines or talked to any of the party boat captains who worked that stretch for years, you'll understand what I mean. There is a terrific current that often goes down the beach from Sandy Hook to past Monmouth Beach.

The amount of water that comes out of Sandy Hook and Raritan Bays pushes its way along the channels but also often runs down the beach for quite a distance. It's not just the storms that erode the beaches. Even when someone drowns, their bodies are often discovered miles from where they drowned. The currents washed them either north or south.

If anyone wants a lifelong job, just sign up for the beach replenishment projects with the Army Corps of Engineers. It will never end unless the money dries up.

Brewlugger 03-03-2020 10:56 PM

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The replenishment program is also destroying the offshore areas where the sand is being removed. They turned the Harvey Ceadars lumps into a wasteland.

Gumada 03-04-2020 08:34 AM

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It’s great work if you can get it ! Never ending, once you are complete you start over again. A saying comes to mind, “shoveling sh*t 💩 against the tide”.

crookedbucktail 03-04-2020 04:23 PM

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Question if tax payers that get slam with property taxes are paying for the sand replenishment and taxes being
used for protecting houses for wealthy beach homeowners which the majority of them make a ton of money renting this in the summertime investors don't we should have free access why pay beach entrance to those beaches. Why paying for beach badges then? Is being paid upfront.

PortlyRedhead 03-04-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crookedbucktail (Post 543979)
Question if tax payers that get slam with property taxes are paying for the sand replenishment and taxes being
used for protecting houses for wealthy beach homeowners which the majority of them make a ton of money renting this in the summertime investors don't we should have free access why pay beach entrance to those beaches. Why paying for beach badges then? Is being paid upfront.

Beach Replenishment funds come from federal, state, and local sources.

Those beach replenishment funds also protect small businesses that pump millions of dollars of sales tax into state coffers each summer.

Rental inventory is down along the Jersey Shore as many homeowners do not need rental income to afford their second (or third or fourth) home. Ask local merchants about their midweek revenue in July 2019 vs July 2009 vs July 1999.

Beach badge revenue helps local municipalities to fund lifeguards and beach cleaning processes.

dales529 03-04-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brewlugger (Post 543963)
The replenishment program is also destroying the offshore areas where the sand is being removed. They turned the Harvey Ceadars lumps into a wasteland.

Exactly Brew and this is my major issue with the whole thing. They tap the larger grain sand from the lumps 2-7 miles off the beach as the "finer grain sand" near the beach isnt good enough. Manasquan ridge, Barnaget Ridge, Seaside lumps, Oles Lump, the Humpty Dumpty etc etc. Not to mention the process restricts boat access to areas that typically hold fish that wont during and after the process

Capt Sal 03-05-2020 09:54 AM

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Pallone is a career politician that i have no use for. Spoke many times with him he is part of the swamp. Second if it is FEDERAL MONEY we should have access to the "private beaches''. The rich get what they need but you can't go on that beach???????

Gumada 03-06-2020 01:44 PM

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You are allowed on those beaches, but only from the high water mark to the waters edge. So, how the towns in question keep you off is to eliminate parking on all streets and close by access to said beach. If they take any tax money, local, state or federal they should be required not only to allow beach access, but also provide reasonable requirements to facilitate that access.....

Solemate 03-08-2020 01:11 PM

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Where is the EPA studies on these projects? What about the clams worms crabs etc that are impacted as well as the fish that feed off them?

Mike K 03-09-2020 03:12 PM

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Thanks for sharing and I respect everyone's opinion on this matter.

Is there a negative environmental impact? Yes. How significant? Nobody knows for sure, but I can tell you that in Ocean City where I spend every summer we've had many replenishments. Might take a few months but the fish come back. Last summer we had the best run of Kingfish in years. Yes, there not Stripers but show me where in the Northeast they're still slamming the Stripers in the surf.

As for welfare for the rich, maybe, but you should first come to the Atlantic City, Ocean City or Wildwood beach in the summer and see all the "millionaires" (yes, even Wildwood has had beach replenishment). :-)

As for tax dollars - I'd rather spend them here than give them to the Ethanol industry. I'm just saying.

PS Some people forget that after Sandy, there was NO beach in many of our towns.

retiredfireguy 03-11-2020 10:28 AM

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It is getting close to election time. Pallone has come out of his office to sprinkle some sand on the beaches so everyone will say what a good job he is doing and vote for him. He will then retreat to his office till the next election.

Hookmanski 03-11-2020 12:28 PM

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Chiming in here - there was a replenishment on LBI around 4-5 years back. After sandy, waves were hitting the bulk head at the end of the blacktop and there was zero beach.

The beaches were definitely hurting after the replenishment in terms of sea life, but this summer we had more life on the beach at my grandmothers street than I've ever seen in 24 years of going down there. Dolphins, baitfish, game fish, birds, and everything in between. My dad fished on that beach every year for 10 years and at most caught a snapper blue or a small kingfish. I caught more fish off the beach last year than he did any year before the replenishment.

Not a scientist or anything, just my 2 cents, but while the beaches may be adversely affect to start they seem to rebound. At least in some cases.

Fishguy1 03-11-2020 01:03 PM

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So why continue to subsidize a bad idea? Building on the oceanfront is just stupid. The beaches here ebbed and flowed for eons and then we come along and think we can stop it so some rich a**hole can walk out his back door and enjoy the view. Most of the beachfront houses in Deal are not year round residences. Think about that. A multi-million dollar beachfront house that is just another property to the wealthy then they have the nerve to ask for federal and state tax dollars (which make up the majority of the funds for the project) when the INEVITABLE happens. Then they have the unmitigated audacity to tell regular folks they can't access the beach we all paid for. It's absurd.I say there should be a buy out, which in the long term would be cheaper than the rinse-repeat cycle of rebuilding/replenishing. Bulldoze it all, let nature take it's course. If you choose to say you're on your own. No FEMA money. Get your own insurance. "But the insurance would be astronomical!" YES BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE! The insurance companies know how risky it is to live there and they RELY on the knowledge that US taxpayers will step in and mitigate all losses when the INEVITABLE happens again. This is the business model of our times, guys. This is welfare for the rich.

Canyonfish 03-12-2020 08:27 AM

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I'm 58 years old and been fishing the surf from SH down to IBSP since I'm 17. Over those 40 years the drive specifically from SH south to 7 Presidents has turned into a view less tunnel between Condo complexes, luxury condos, large homes, apartments and businesses. The beach is barely visible until you park and walk up to the sand.

As long as there is a $ to be made and tax payers to fleece the paid off politicians will fund beach replenishment.

It is like filling a lake with a Dixie cup .... one cup at a time..... good luck with that.

Gumada 03-12-2020 10:36 AM

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I remember back when Sandy hit. Then not long after that there was the boardwalk fire, suspicious in my mind. They repaired and rebuilt that boardwalk in record time while people in middle class neighborhoods were still struggling to get back into their homes. Many of them around raritan bay where there isn’t a lot of money. Goes to show they take your money and give no help...sickening.

Lwhssh 07-16-2021 07:15 AM

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I live in Ocean City where the southern portion of town had the beaches replenished last fall. Previously some of these beaches were narrow and even muddy. The result was miles of beautiful, wide, white sandy beaches.
Ocean City prides itself on being “America’s Greatest Family Resort”
The replenishment revitalized the beaches benefiting thousands of residents and vacationers, rich, poor or middle class. Don’t turn these improvements into some kind of class warfare.

bulletbob 07-16-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lwhssh (Post 561288)
I live in Ocean City where the southern portion of town had the beaches replenished last fall. Previously some of these beaches were narrow and even muddy. The result was miles of beautiful, wide, white sandy beaches.
Ocean City prides itself on being “America’s Greatest Family Resort”
The replenishment revitalized the beaches benefiting thousands of residents and vacationers, rich, poor or middle class. Don’t turn these improvements into some kind of class warfare.

Rigghhhttt.. Until a noreaster comes and takes the sand away.. Might not happen for a few months.. but it will- It always does... People want to live on the ocean??. Terrific-enjoy. Want to live on
barrier islands that are by definition TEMPORARY??.. fine, have it it..

Only do NOT expect the taxpayers to subsidize your folly when the ocean , shifting inlets and bays all meet up during a storm, as they always have and always will...bob

bulletbob 07-16-2021 12:39 PM

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btw, don't take my word, but maybe think about what the Designer/Architech/Planner/Developer has to say about this subject-


The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Skolmann 07-16-2021 01:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwhssh (Post 561288)
I live in Ocean City where the southern portion of town had the beaches replenished last fall. Previously some of these beaches were narrow and even muddy. The result was miles of beautiful, wide, white sandy beaches.
Ocean City prides itself on being “America’s Greatest Family Resort”
The replenishment revitalized the beaches benefiting thousands of residents and vacationers, rich, poor or middle class. Don’t turn these improvements into some kind of class warfare.

Beach replenishment might provide a short term boom but in the long run it’s just flushing $$ down the drain. eventually those now wide white sandy beaches will revert back to their previous state. Between littoral drift, storms and the whims of Mother Nature, the beaches are constantly reshaping themselves. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again (pumping sand on to a beach) and expecting a different result (beach remaining stable).


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