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Been saying that for years......only falls on deaf ears.:mad:

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Capt. Ron.....might be a fools prayer but going to do my best to see if we can't make those ears hear again! Check your email.

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Has it ever occurred to anyone that our regulations are all by design to destroy the recreational fisherman? Think about it, the wack job PETA nuts just can’t close recreational fishing so how do you get people to stop fishing and save the fish from the horrible human beings that are slaughtering these fish and causing massive pain to these poor creatures? They can’t just close the fishery or set up their protests at fishing tournaments (which I remember them doing in the 90’s) but what if they politically influenced NMFS to bleed the party and charter boats out of business with ridiculous regulations? Keep increasing the size limit over a period of years to force the recreational community to continually take the breeders out of the biomass which eventually leads to a collapse and then shut the fishery down for a period of years to save the fluke. How many party and charter boats would survive a period of say 5-10 years of a closure on the fluke industry entirely??? Once those boats are gone they are not coming back. Can someone else give me my a logical reason why you would set regulations to only target breeding females? How many party and charter boats fish for winter flounder in the spring now? I remember great flounder fishing in the 90’s now they are a by catch. Call me a conspiracy theorist but this as plain as day. Oh and the commercial industry Is really only controlled by a hand-full of families on the east coast which have well paid lobbyists in Washington so they will always be taken care for! Call me a cynic, paranoid or just a plain ******* but the future does not look good. The seasoned party and charter captains can see what is going on.
Lastly, if I pissed off any of you tree hugging libs on this site go “f” yourselves!

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thank you Tog,looks pretty clear to me too

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As I learned a long time ago in trying to make a difference in Fisheries Management once you spread the word against one party over the other you have lost the entire audience and accomplished nothing. The people fighting have stopped posting because of the politics and cant post because change happens only with many participants. There is a ton of sh-t going on to address your points, sadly you wont be part of it unless you choose to fight it on the proper platform.

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so its safe to say that the regs are equal for both rec & comm fisheries??? i am confused about why then are we fighting for our share????nothing is remotely
close to being fair.we go to meetings and the feds break out data from the 70's.
they did not know it was from the 70's??? or maybe they don't care enough.they tell us that 90% of all fluke over 17 inches are female but they keep pushing the size up??seems awful weird how the fight for the 200 mile limit was pushed thru
pretty quick and the rec guys are still trying to get some fish regs that make sense for the last 40 years.just for the record i have no beef with the comm guys,as many are my friends.i do however have a problem with a government
that is driven buy money and not the peoples well being.

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I understand your rage but to blame it on the left is just wrong. It's the commercial corporate interests not the "tree huggers" !! Follow the money. Also I always thought this was a fishing site and non-political. This post has been up for days so I guess the administrator is okay with it.

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In a fishery as highly regulated and as vital economically, socially and commercially as summer flounder, it's virtually impossible to separate politics from the fishery or sport itself in light of developments over the last twenty or more years. We, being both the commercial and recreational community, are losing the resource and without putting words in Dave's (Dales529) Gerry's or Joey's mouths I've always thought lack of knowledge by the recreational angling community was as much a problem in our pursuit of a successful management plan and equitable allocation of the resource than fishing reports themselves. We're not going to be successful in expanding our access rights and the fishery won't rebound without changes in management philosophies and legislative changes. Knowledge and awareness of what that means is key. As Dave pointed out, there's many people behind the scenes working on their own time and own dime pursuing those goals. If that's not important to the Members of the site than create a different section for regulatory discussions or the people involved will simply stop trying to educate the predominantly recreational angling community that resides here by not posting in this forum if it's considered offensive or clutter. Doesn't mean the people working for all your benefits will stop what they're doing, just means they'll continue without exchange of information or updates on progress or set backs here. Very easy solution. If that's the popular consensus, would like to hear it from the Members who have a strong enough opinion on the matter to share with the site owner and administrators.

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I personally have learned a great deal about the biological and commercial dynamics at play with the fluke fishery and would otherwise have been ignorant on the topic without the informative discussions herein. The analysis, communication, education and effort are all appreciated.

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There's two sayings that come to mind from the movie about Alan Turing "The Imitation Game". First "Do you know why people like violence (complaining)? It is because it feels good. Humans find violence (complaining) deeply satisfying. but remove the satisfaction, and the act becomes... hollow." and second "Sometimes it is the people no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine."

Translated, bitching won't accomplish anything other than making you feel good but when that feeling wears off it won't change a thing. Second, everyone has the ability to get involved and sometimes the greatest contributions come from people least expected.

If that's not important dialogue to the majority of Members of the site, as I said it's a simple solution. Posting about regulatory decisions and progress or pitfalls will stop but don't complain when the fishery goes to a 20" size limit with a 2 fish possession limit and a season starts early May and ends mid August. Everyone will be asking for fluke reports the same way we ask for winter flounder reports which are far and few in between.