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If tony can get us the address for Kurkel, maybe we should start a letter campaign. She admits using faulty stats, lets put her feet to the fire!

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I listened to this woman for about five minutes during the ASMFC conference call when they first were discussing closing sea bass and wanted to throw my cell phone out the window. What she was saying was beyond insane, and she was the one who brought up the "threat" of a federal closure when her resolution about closing sea bass fishing back then got voted down.

For anyone who'd like to take up the mission:

Patricia Kurkul
NORTHEAST REGION, NMFS
Regional Administrator, NE Region
978-281-9250
pat.kurkul@noaa.gov

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OK guys, we have a name, an email address and a postal address. Lets start hammering her, keep it civil! lets get to work.


steve

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You might find some points in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/s...ris&id=4533383

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Tony:

Do you have some key points that we should target in these letters? Or should we just send letters in our own words and how this shut down effects each one of us?

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You might find some points in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/s...ris&id=4533383

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What reelron said! Look at the sea bass closure thread and read Adam's description of the problem. Knowing that there is better data to be used that was not, ask Ms. Kurkul why she would not vote in favor of having the SSC look at that data and incorporate it into their quota recommendation.

Ask Pat why she insists on trying to find new and creative ways to screw the fishermen with MRFSS data. Now they want to use it as a real-time monitoring system??

Is she that attached to MRFSS that she has to try and drain every last ounce of pain out of it before it is replaced?

Ask her why she continues to ignore the "anecdotal" and industry data provided her to refute MRFSS and other claims when even the NRC review of MRFSS clearly states that such data should be used to validate or invalidate the "best available" data NMFS uses.

How's that for a stream of conscious ramble huh?

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Y'know sometimes it's very tough to determine 'tone' when reading people's posts.

Leif, I believe sportfishingusa was not calling names, but was more like rallying the troops by giving them nicknames.... I could be wrong, but based on all of his posts, I think that's all there is there.

Sport, while I agree that it is important for people to be as active as possible, it's just not reality for some folks, given scarcity of time, money and understanding. With that said, a successful fight will consist of a broad spectrum of activity from just joining as a member, through donating more than just a membership fee, all the way up through partaking in events and lobbies. If all people could do is be a member, so be it. Those numbers help when politicians evaluate sentiment. By the way, I commend you on reaching out directly to Capt. Bob... I shall bring you a red bull and vodka on the 24th, but not sure Jim/Bill will allow the vodka on board :)

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thanks jon.. you were 100 percent correct with your interpretatoin.. a


and captain TB Thanks buddy! going to get some time today and i shuld be able to get the email out today after a little more education and thinking!!

Thanks again!!

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I didn't join for one good reason

Fighting the comms will not solve the problem

We both have the same interest and that should be to save the fishing weather comm or rec.

The only true records of fish being caught is by the comm fisherman as they are regulated by NOAA. They have to have to get permission to go out and must leave within 48hrs. They also must have BoaTrax on their and pay for the servicce so they can be monitored.

No I am not a comm fisherman butI think if we are to share the ocean resources we should work together to save the fish.

The people on the board, who are making the decissions are not fisherman.

Just my thoughts

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I didn't join for one good reason

Fighting the comms will not solve the problem

We both have the same interest and that should be to save the fishing weather comm or rec.

The only true records of fish being caught is by the comm fisherman as they are regulated by NOAA. They have to have to get permission to go out and must leave within 48hrs. They also must have BoaTrax on their and pay for the servicce so they can be monitored.

No I am not a comm fisherman butI think if we are to share the ocean resources we should work together to save the fish.

The people on the board, who are making the decissions are not fisherman.

Just my thoughts

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Thanks for posting. Please do NOT take this personally its just an example and I dont want to use Sports posts again. Another key element of the meeting as this thread shows is the importance of sending a clear and informed message. Maybe all need to read the posts more slowly and thoroughly (myself included) as I think the online message system sometimes creates an avenue for re-active and quick response. Most of this thread is informative and point on and I know I will be using it for reference going forward.

No where is it being suggested from our meeting that this is a fight between the commercial and recreational fishermen. While there are varying opinions and debate, the sole purpose of the recreational fight is for recreational fishermen and the battle is with the NOAA, NMFS, SSC etc, at the FEDERAL Level to get flexibility in the Magnuson Stevens Act and fight for real science / data recording so that stock assesments and quotas are set properly. The best way to accomplish that in our opinion is to join up with the RFA who has been fighting for this for years and has a voice at the federal level. It has also NOT been stated from the meeting that MONEY is the sole answer, That LETTERS, E_MAILS are the sole answer or that JOINING the RFA is the sole answer.

The message is that a large "membership" of fishermen willing to get involved and act to fight against what is being handed down to us unfairly is required. To accomplish that goal we need to be more educated on what has been done, what can be done and where to place a concerted effort. All that is asked is do what you can, when you can and where you can in a constructive, informed manner.

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Well said Dave!

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guys i have not been on much because school has been hectic but if anything gets organized/planned whatever or you need some help or whatever i'll do whatever i can, just shoot me an email as i check that more then i get on here as of late. this sea bass things pushed me over the edge we got to fight back HARDCORE!!!!