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Angler Paul
02-02-2017, 03:24 PM
NEW Fluke Regulation Update 2-2-17


At the ASMFC's Summer Flounder, Scup and Black Sea Bass Board meeting on 2/2 there was a three hour discussion on which fluke option to choose from Addendum XXVIII. The meeting began with DEP Commissioner Bob Martin speaking on behalf of New Jersey's fishermen. He made it clear that none of the options in the addendum were acceptable to our state and urged the board to maintain status quo. He made it clear that our state will fight any of the other options with whatever means is necessary. The Commissioner was followed by a representative from Congressman Frank Pallone's office who also spoke passionately on our behalf. We need to thank both of them for making the trip to Alexandria, Virginia and doing this. New Jersey representative Tom Baum then made a motion for status quo which I believe was seconded by Delaware. In addition to Tom, our other representatives, Adam Nowalsky and Chris Zemen presented our case very well but unfortunately the motion failed with only Delaware supporting us.
A lengthy discussion ensued but eventually it was option 5 that was approved by the board. This option was approved by the board despite the fact that it could be overruled by NOAA if it is determined that this option does not result in the mandated reduction. Option 5 seems to be the least restrictive of the five options in the addendum. Under this option, NJ would be faced with a 3 fluke bag limit with a 19" size limit and a 128 day season.
Regardless, our state is rejecting this option and intends to leave our 2016 regulations in place for this year. Our State is working with the new Trump administration with hope that the cuts mandated by NOAA will be overruled. However, for now though, based on the ASMFC's decision today, each state or region will now have approximately two months to develop regulations that would comply with option 5. Though NJ has already decided to go out of compliance, I don't believe that we could actually be found out of compliance until the deadline to enact regulations has passed. Then, I believe at the ASMFC meeting in May, we could be found out of compliance and our state would probably be given a warning notice with 30 days to comply. If we fail to comply, it would then be sent to the Secretary of Commerce who would then have to find that our regulations were hurting the fishery and if so, the default measures would be enacted upon us. That would be 2 fish at 20" with a season of 7/1 - 8/31. However, all this would take time and there is also a chance the Secretary of Commerce could give a favorable ruling. If it goes this route, a decision will probably not be made until mid-summer. This is a big risk we are taking but we have now drawn a line in the sand. As the Commissioner stated, "Enough is enough". Please continue to contact your legislative representatives and ask for their support.
Therefore as of right now, our season is slated to begin on 5/21 and continue through 9/25 with a 5 fish limit at 18" for most of the State. The only exceptions are for Delaware Bay where there is a 4 fish limit at 17" and at Island Beach State Park where there is a two fish limit at 16".


Paul Haertel, JCAA Past President

ALS Mako
02-02-2017, 04:22 PM
Thank you for the update

Gerry Zagorski
02-02-2017, 05:28 PM
Great job breaking it all down and summing it all up so we can understand it Paul.

teddysclaw
02-02-2017, 10:07 PM
Wow so our state is going rogue? GOOD STUFF! Thank you so much for the effort. Pretty amazing stuff.

shrimpman steve
02-02-2017, 10:23 PM
Following the drama from Florida. Good luck fellas

frugalfisherman
02-03-2017, 08:16 AM
OK so there are 2 sets of rules. Which rules are the charter and party boats going by? We had this situation several years ago with sea bass. The party boats had a state rule for 3 miles in and a federal rule 3 miles out. As the sea bass moved out past 3 miles so did the boats still going by state rules. I don't remember why but that only lasted one year.

Angler Paul
02-03-2017, 04:21 PM
They have to abide by state rules when in state waters. That includes when they are returning to port from fishing offshore. In other words, they could abide by whatever the federal rules are while fishing beyond 3 miles but have to be in compliance with whatever state's waters they return to. For example if fluke season was closed in New Jersey but open in New York and in federal waters, a NY party boat could fish beyond 3 miles anywhere off the NJ coast, keep fluke and return to NY provided it did not enter NJ state waters. A NJ boat could not return to NJ state waters with fluke even if the boats were fishing side by side offshore.

Paul Haertel - JCAA Past President

frugalfisherman
02-03-2017, 04:55 PM
Well since nobody flukes farther out than 3 miles until late September we've got it made. Might as well make it 16 inches.

KevinH
02-05-2017, 10:37 AM
So if the state doesn't comply with the new regs what makes the Feds think the state will comply with the 2 at 20?

Gerry Zagorski
02-05-2017, 01:52 PM
So if the state doesn't comply with the new regs what makes the Feds think the state will comply with the 2 at 20?

It's all a political chess game right now... In the short term, we make a move, they make a move till the game is over. Long term the board is reset and we continue to play for the match.

Angler Paul
02-05-2017, 03:43 PM
The way it works is that the feds to not have the authority to set our specific regs right now. The NJMFC must do that. If they fail to act, the law remains the same as it was the previous year. However, if eventually the Secreary of Commerce finds that we are out of compliance and rules against us, the default measures would the become law, 2 fluke at 20" with a season from 7/31 -8/31.
If that happens though, I am confident that the NJMFC would have an emergency meeting and quickly set the regs so that we would be back in compliance. (Probably the 3 fish at 19" and a 128 day season)

tautog
02-05-2017, 08:44 PM
If the Gulf states can have their own individual red snapper regulations for state waters, why can't we do the same with fluke?

hartattack
02-06-2017, 07:05 AM
Just learned that Massachusetts will be joining NJ, going out-of-compliance for 2017 Fluke. Option 5 reduced the MA creel limit from 5 to 4 and increased the minimum size by one inch - measures they will not accept. I was hoping that NY would join the tea-party but since NY introduced Option 5 they are committed to it.

If the in-coming Commerce Secretary actually punishes NJ/MA with non-compliance measures, I and many others will be canceling their summer Cape Cod fluking trips. The thick plottens :confused:

Capt Sal
02-06-2017, 04:34 PM
If the Gulf states can have their own individual red snapper regulations for state waters, why can't we do the same with fluke?

Very true! LA has a nine mile limit to the EEZ Nj is three. In Louisiana we retain red snapper in state waters. As far as our politicians backing us now at the eleventh hour? Where was Christie from the begining.Menendez is now involved for some strange reason????? Maybe Shumer shamed all of them. I don't care for him but will take help from any politician that i can.We thought it would never happen??? Well it is here and we have been fighting for years and donating money. We need President Trump bad!

Angler Paul
02-06-2017, 10:59 PM
If the Gulf states can have their own individual red snapper regulations for state waters, why can't we do the same with fluke?

We did until a couple years ago when we were forced into a region with New York and Massachusetts. In reality this was a reallocation of quota and it resulted in New York's regulations being relaxed while New Jersey's were made more stringent. This was largely due to political pressure from N.Y. Senator Schumer who went so far as to introduce his "Fluke Fairness Act". Now NJ is finally fighting back.

Capt Sal
02-07-2017, 07:54 AM
We did until a couple years ago when we were forced into a region with New York and Massachusetts. In reality this was a reallocation of quota and it resulted in New York's regulations being relaxed while New Jersey's were made more stringent. This was largely due to political pressure from N.Y. Senator Schumer who went so far as to introduce his "Fluke Fairness Act". Now NJ is finally fighting back.

Been saying this from the march on Washington days. Where are our''elected'' politicians in this fight? Not fishing for one year will not kill a private sport fisherman but it will put party and charter boats out of business for sure.

Rightaway III
02-12-2017, 04:22 PM
We should be just as strongly opposed to the current Seabass travesty.

Slip It In
02-14-2017, 04:44 PM
We should be just as strongly opposed to the current Seabass travesty.

100% agree. I also heard rumors of lowering porgy to 15. All these cuts are so ridiculous, guess it will be fillet and release all year. Stocking up on gallon zip locks at Sams club soon so. Its our ocean not the governments!

Ttmako
02-15-2017, 08:40 AM
They wanted a 15% cut in porgies despite the biomass being 210% of what it needs to be. The reason stated "because 50 is just too much".

tautog
02-15-2017, 03:55 PM
They had porgies all the way in the back of the Long Island Sound by City Island by the second week in May that stayed there until the first week in November, but the 50 fish limit is too many? Population is expanding greatly under current regs with lots of 9"-11 1/2" fish everywhere last year that will be 10 1/2"- 13" fish this year. No need to mess with the regulations.

Gerry Zagorski
03-02-2017, 01:34 PM
Governor Christie Joins the fight http://www.nj.gov/dep/newsrel/2017/17_0012.htm

Gerry Zagorski
03-03-2017, 07:29 AM
Looks like our new Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross got all the memos and is taking interest in our Fisheries.

You'll see in his first address below, right at 10:12 he mentions that one of his goals is to "attain maximum sustainable yields for our fisheries".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJJg86FvFSk&feature=youtu.be&t=581

Times the are a changing

fishguy
03-06-2017, 12:01 PM
Maximum sustainable yield for WHO?

blindalfred
03-12-2017, 03:57 PM
Maximum sustainable yield for WHO?

Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, recently confirmed as Secretary of Commerce will, I'm sure, have the best interests of small recreational fishing operations foremost on his agenda.

Capt Sal
03-23-2017, 12:38 PM
Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, recently confirmed as Secretary of Commerce will, I'm sure, have the best interests of small recreational fishing operations foremost on his agenda.

Give him a chance first then make a judgement. As far as i see it there are more politicians getting involved than in the last decade.

Angler Paul
03-28-2017, 05:23 PM
Here is a link to the press release about the appeal filed by our DEP on the fluke.

http://www.nj.gov/dep/newsrel/2017/17_0025.htm

Paul Haertel
JCAA Past President

Angler Paul
03-28-2017, 05:35 PM
Actually what I meant to say is that it is a link to the DEP press release on the appeal our state filed regarding fluke. The site is not letting me edit my post at the moment.

Angler Paul
04-14-2017, 09:24 PM
The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council met on 4/13 and set the sea bass regulations for this year. The season will open on 5/26 and extend through 6/18 with a ten fish bag limit at 12 ½”. The season will then be closed through 6/30. It will reopen on 7/1 and extend through 8/31 but with a two fish limit at 12 ½”. It will then be closed through 10/21. The season will then reopen on 10/22 and end on 12/31 with a 15 fish bag limit and a 12 ½” size limit. Last year during the fall season we had a 13” size limit but by shortening the season by just a few days we were allowed to reduce the size limit to 12 ½”. Though the regulations have been set, they are subject to change for better or worse depending on what is decided at the ASMFC/MAFMC joint meeting on 5/10.
The NJMFC took no further action on the fluke regulations as they await the ruling on our State’s appeal to the ASMFC. Therefore, as of now our regulations will remain exactly the same as they were in 2016. The season will begin on 5/21 and end on 9/25 with a 5 fish bag limit at 18”. This regulation is subject to change depending on the ruling of our appeal.
Refer to the JCAA Facebook page for up to the minute changes on any of the regulations.
Paul Haertel - JCAA Board Member/Past President