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dakota560
10-19-2015, 06:34 PM
Sorry for a late report. Went out bottom fishing last Sunday, Columbus Day Weekend, left the inlet around 5:30. We arrived at the wreck we wanted to fish about an hour later to happily find no one sitting on it. Shucked a bushel of clams on the way out and immediately we started bailing sea bass as quickly as you could get a baited hook to the bottom. Real mix of fish with many jumbos mixed in. Insane fishing with constant double headers coming over the rail. All sea bass were given a stay of execution until the 22nd....hopefully! In between sea bass, we had some quality cod mixed in, some ling and a few nice size porgies. Great start to the day. That's the good.....now for the Bad and Ugly. About I would say 7:30 I look out and see a boat quickly bearing down on us heading directly off our bow. Was hoping he would veer off but no such luck. The boat Babalew, a Luhrs sailing from Fisherman's Den in Belmar captained by Lewis Giannini, throttled back right off our bow and decides to do a complete circle around us looking for the wreck. Guy was no more than I'd guess 30 feet away from us when he circles our vessel. We're fishing a fairly sizable wreck so I decided to give the Captain the benefit of the doubt realizing there was ample room for two boats on this wreck and thinking he would anchor a safe distance away. He was so close I can hear the Captain in an enclosed helm say to his crew "Looks like we're going to share the wreck today" as he decides to drop anchor maybe fifty feet off our starboard side. Elected to let it go. Maybe 20 minutes later, the Captain decided to reposition and moves directly in front of us right over our anchor line and drops anchor. Absolute BS move. Guy drifts back and ends up no more than 30 feet off our starboard side again when I decide enough is enough. I yelled across to his crew "Sharing a wreck is one thing, mugging another boat who was there first is BS" One of his crew decided to be a real douche and the discussion let's just say deteriorated from there. This idiot no less than a half dozen times tried to reposition on the wreck every time dropping right over our anchor line and ending up anywhere from 25 to 35 feet off our starboard side. I've attached a picture of one of his attempts so you can see how close this moron was. Notice the rail of our bow platform at the bottom of the picture which will give you an idea of how close this idiot was to our vessel and the fact he positioned his boat right over our anchor line. Absolutely no regard for the fact we were already sitting on the wreck for a good hour and a half before he showed up. Typical weekend warrior. Finally after the fishing died no doubt due to his numerous unsuccessful anchoring attempts, he picked up anchor and moved. A short while later, I decided to move to another wreck and unfortunately couldn't retrieve our wreck anchor. I'm pretty sure this idiot in one of his failed efforts to anchor up dragged his anchor over my anchor line causing my wreck anchor to become entangled in the wreck. The captain of this boat and his crew are complete *******s, just a heads up for anyone who comes across them on the water. No regard for boater safety or respect in this case for sharing a wreck. I'm not sure what a safe or fair distance is to be next to another boat but 25 to 30 feet is insane and literally dropping your hook over someone else's line is BS.

On a good note, there was a dive boat which pulled up a short time after the vessel Babalew arrived. Name of the boat was Voyager. I want to give a big THANK YOU to the Captain and Crew of this vessel for, without being asked, retrieving our wreck anchor and returning it to our dock! Can't thank you enough for your thoughtfulness and generosity! After trying a few more wrecks, my son and I returned to the first wreck to drift it for more out of season sea bass. The dive boat Voyager was still there and shortly after we arrived the Captain cruised on over to talk to us. I thought he was going to tell us he had divers in the water but instead he asked us if we were the boat who had lost our anchor earlier. Told him it was us, he took our information and then a few days ago I went to the boat only to find the wreck anchor sitting next to our dock box.......anchor, chain and shackle! I can't thank the owners of this boat enough, I believe it's Maureen and Steve Langevin, for taking the time to not only retrieve our anchor but tracking our boat down and returning it to us without asking anything in return. Just an amazing act of kindness!

Just an FYI, there's a story about this dive boat retrieving the 5,000 lb anchor from the Stolt Degali a few years ago. If you have time, look it up online as well as the circumstances leading to the helm of the Stolt being sheered off by a luxury liner in dense fog many years ago. The entire stern of the Stolt, a 575 ft tanker, was sheered off but the boat stayed afloat and was towed back to shore. The tanker had a stern located anchor as opposed to a bow located one and after some dives and research the Voyager was able to locate the anchor and arrange for a recovery mission with the use of a scallop boat I believe and retrieved the 5,000 lb anchor. Pretty amazing find and exploration. Again thanks so much to Maureen and Steve for their act of kindness.....pretty amazing. At the same time if anyone comes across the vessel Babalew on the water, steer clear the Captain has no class and or regard for safety. Real piece of trash!

Joey Dah Fish
10-19-2015, 07:37 PM
Boba looooooooser

slammer
10-19-2015, 09:05 PM
That suck's that you got mugged.Kudos to the voyager to get your anchor back.Re-name that boat. DOUCHEBAGALEW

Chrisper4694
10-19-2015, 10:22 PM
Candidate for d bag of the year haha. Glad you caught some fish though prior to that and a nice surprise with the anchor retrieval!

shrimpman steve
10-20-2015, 06:39 AM
The stilt. That was my very first ocean dive in1986

Man Workin
10-20-2015, 08:37 AM
WOW That's close, it sucks we have to deal with people like that.
And when there wrong they run their mouths cursing and yelling like animals. Glad you got your anchor back. Way to take the high road.

Striperswiper
10-20-2015, 10:06 AM
He has a bigger boat, therefore he has the right of way.

I think that's the a** hole rule. I have to check the regs under d bags or is it jo's

I can never remember.

Capt. Debbie
10-20-2015, 10:08 AM
I guess first there gets the spot is the usual rule. Sounds like the other boat won that race?

dakota560
10-20-2015, 10:24 AM
I guess first there gets the spot is the usual rule. Sounds like the other boat won that race?

Capt. Frank,

I was sitting on the wreck for over an hour before the Babalew showed up and dropped his anchor. As I mentioned, he circled my vessel once and without hesitation dropped his anchor maybe 50 feet directly off our bow. When he tied off his anchor he was no more than 30 feet off our starboard. Captain was simply a douchebag, I'd never mug another boat like this guy did to my son and I.

dakota560
10-20-2015, 10:30 AM
The stilt. That was my very first ocean dive in1986

Steve,

Must have been an incredible dive! Tragic accident, 19 of the crew from the Stolt died after the luxury liner sheered off it's stern in dense fog. Amazing part of the story is what was left of the Stolt Dagali remained afloat and was able to be towed back to land. The Voyager finding and recovering her anchor some 50 years later is to put it mildly an amazing accomplishment.

rumster
10-20-2015, 03:31 PM
Plain and simple the Captain of the Babalew is a douche bag. There are so many wrecks in that area there is no need for that bullshit.

hammer4reel
10-20-2015, 03:48 PM
All ya had to do was toss a few 16 ounce sinkers against his hull, he would have got the hint.

he was def close enough.
I would think a dockside visit would be necessary if that happened to me

b_mac
10-20-2015, 03:59 PM
I always ask if they want their windows washed....

Way to be the bigger man. I am sure there will be plenty of this for opening weekend.

Reel Class
10-20-2015, 04:08 PM
You think that's bad?

Try anchoring on a wreck, pounding on fish, seeing a dive boat come up, drop their hook on the outside of the wreck (~50 yards away from us!) and send divers down to the piece which was right under us! Even better - SEEING THE BUBBLES FROM THE OXYGEN TANKS COME UP UNDER YOUR BOAT WHILE ACTIVELY FISHING A WRECK -- THAT'S UGLY.

Some people are clueless, some people have no courtesy, and some people truly act in an incredibly DANGEROUS manner when on the water.

Reel Class
10-20-2015, 04:10 PM
All ya had to do was toss a few 16 ounce sinkers against his hull, he would have got the hint.

he was def close enough.
I would think a dockside visit would be necessary if that happened to me

I love posts like this - "HE'S WITHIN SINKER RANGE!" Why resort to violence? Somebody gets hurt, you get sued and have the guys in the orange boat hot on your tail.

The second piece, re: the dockside visit, is probably a much better decision :)

dakota560
10-20-2015, 06:17 PM
Dan I know you say that to a large degree tongue and cheek but that's exactly what I felt like doing or anyone else in that position would want to do. Unfortunately as others have pointed out you end up going from being in the right to being in the wrong especially if someone gets seriously hurt. What burns me up about guys like the Captain and crew of Babalew is you get up at 3:00 am, make the long trip, get everything ready so you have the right to fish a wreck of your choice. It's common sense and common courtesy. This a-hole in this case thinks nothing of leaving the dock at any time on one of the busiest holiday weekends of the year and sets his hook where ever he dam well pleases. There will be a dock side visit as soon as I get back down but like I said in my initial post I wanted to draw attention to this idiot in the hopes maybe he'll learn some common courtesy although I doubt it highly. Guys like this Captain in almost all cases simply don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. I will say this, if he ever anchors up again over my anchor line and I lose my anchor to the wreck, he'll be returning to port with one less anchor aboard his vessel as well.

There's plenty of real estate out there, if you want prime spots get up early and put in the time and effort. Otherwise prospect around, find another spot and deal with the consequences of sleeping in late.

dakota560
10-21-2015, 02:16 PM
Capt Allen,

Funny you should say that, can't imagine a dive operation putting their clients in harms way like that but I've heard that story from others before. Scuba divers and sharp hooks and or 8 ounce hammered jigs don't go well together. Many of the larger wrecks we have available in this area can safely handle multiple boats but you have to work together for that to happen. If I approach a wreck and someone is already on it, fishing, diving or otherwise, the first thing I'll do is either attempt contacting the vessel on the VHF or pulling up along side (if not a dive boat) and talking to the captain. Many times the captain is very cordial and willing to share the piece. Other times it doesn't work out and we'll find another wreck. You'd be surprised how many times the other boat will reciprocate at a later date when the situation is reversed and we're on the wreck first. Be cordial and use good judgement. Again the captain of the Babalew is the kind of weekend warrior who gets other people hurt and has zero class. Real douche.

Reel Class
10-21-2015, 05:36 PM
Capt Allen,

Funny you should say that, can't imagine a dive operation putting their clients in harms way like that but I've heard that story from others before. Scuba divers and sharp hooks and or 8 ounce hammered jigs don't go well together. Many of the larger wrecks we have available in this area can safely handle multiple boats but you have to work together for that to happen. If I approach a wreck and someone is already on it, fishing, diving or otherwise, the first thing I'll do is either attempt contacting the vessel on the VHF or pulling up along side (if not a dive boat) and talking to the captain. Many times the captain is very cordial and willing to share the piece. Other times it doesn't work out and we'll find another wreck. You'd be surprised how many times the other boat will reciprocate at a later date when the situation is reversed and we're on the wreck first. Be cordial and use good judgement. Again the captain of the Babalew is the kind of weekend warrior who gets other people hurt and has zero class. Real douche.

Absolutely. That's how people get good names vs. bad names on the water!

Dino
10-22-2015, 08:26 AM
HAHA.. of course it was a guy name Louie w Italian last name, on a luhrs, out of BELMAHH, on columbus day weekend ... LOL GOTTA LOVE JERSEY some things NEVER change :D ... I would have guessed the boat name to be Angie Marie, but Babalew is even better !!! the entire story too predictable