What Will A Week Of NE Do?

[wrktoomuch]

Curious if you guys think a week of strong NE will quickly push the Fluke out. I know any storm at the end of August on does it, but this isn't a storm. Hoping to try again when the wind allows, just don't want to take a day off work for nothing.

[tautog]

Main body of fluke will be pushed out past 100 feet. Snappers will largely empty out of the rivers.

[hookset]

A week if NE wind will put every 20-30 foot boat from AH down to MI in the mudhole looking for mahi when it lays down!

[Gerry Zagorski]

One thing for sure is that it will push a lot of cleaner water inshore. In fact, I can see the difference it's making already using my www.ripcharts.com service. Cleaner water is now 10 miles closer then it was on Friday.

[bunker dunker]

hopefully turn on the inshore Bluefin bite.

[torchee]

I bet the surf fishing rocks for a few days after.

[jmurr711]

it will cost me 3 trips for my popecation

[frugalfisherman]

I,ll let you know in a week.

[wrktoomuch]

OK, so Fluke is done, but is there a chance Ling will come closer than the Mudhole? Only a month ago, I was getting some in about 110 ft. a ways in from the Mudhole.

[Capt Joe]

Chance of that in the fall? ZERO!

[wrktoomuch]

Chance of that in the fall? ZERO!

OK, now I know. What month do they come back into those depths? I found them by chance and it was already summer.

[Capt Joe]

next May.....maybe

[Foul Hook]

it will cost me 3 trips for my popecation

Joey, Guess you'll be on Vatican lock-down huh, Philly is going to be a mess!

[kmaty]

Help me catch even more stripes hahaha put in a week vacation it is

Going going gooonneee fishing see u Monday!!!!!!!!

[jmurr711]

Joey, Guess you'll be on Vatican lock-down huh, Philly is going to be a mess!

yea buddy & we are ight in the middle courts closed til next tuesday. prolly gonna get banned from the canal & farrels this weekend

[mike1010]

Main body of fluke will be pushed out past 100 feet. Snappers will largely empty out of the rivers.

Not disputing, just trying to understand. The fluke are leaving because the water is too warm. The E wind is bringing cooler water in from offshore. Isn't it possible that the fluke will stay inshore longer with the cooling water? Thanks.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Fluke are leaving because it's time to leave. Happens every year like clockwork pretty much in spite of winds or water temps.... It's just what they do and part of their internal migration clocks.

East and NE winds usually blow the warmer and clearer waters in from the Gulfstream which runs along our continental shelf a hundred miles or so out. It does however temporarily churn up the water closer into shore and the bays because of rougher surf. Once given a few days to settle down, the water will generally be cleaner and warmer. I think that is way Captain Joe said the ling will probably not stick around... They like colder water.

Sustained and heavy South winds cause upwelling which brings the colder water on the ocean's bottom to the top. This is why sometimes in the middle of the summer the water along our beaches, which are usually warm, get too cold to swim in.

[Sharkyispy]

it will cost me 3 trips for my popecation


Getting out of Dodge and Mexico bound!!!! Enough Pope preparations to last a lifetime!!

[tautog]

Blow like this signals to the main body that it is time to get out of dodge. Without a storm, they trickle off, but with a blow, they leave in mass. There will be some stragglers until November though.

[dakota560]

Fluke are leaving because it's time to leave. Happens every year like clockwork pretty much in spite of winds or water temps.... It's just what they do and part of their internal migration clocks.

East and NE winds usually blow the warmer and clearer waters in from the Gulfstream which runs along our continental shelf a hundred miles or so out. It does however temporarily churn up the water closer into shore and the bays because of rougher surf. Once given a few days to settle down, the water will generally be cleaner and warmer. I think that is way Captain Joe said the ling will probably not stick around... They like colder water.

Sustained and heavy South winds cause upwelling which brings the colder water on the ocean's bottom to the top. This is why sometimes in the middle of the summer the water along our beaches, which are usually warm, get too cold to swim in.

Serious question regarding the effects of south winds and colder water. Why don't north winds have the same impact on water temps as south winds do. Every day there are 4 tide changes. Half of each day the ocean currents are running south to north in our area (incoming tides) and north to south (outgoing tide) the other half of the day. If a south wind causes upwelling, I assume more so during outgoing tides when wind is against tide, why wouldn't a prevailing north wind cause the same upwelling during incoming tides. That's never seemed to be the case though as a north wind tends to have a positive impact on bottom fishing yet a south wind is the kiss of death. Never understood why a north wind wouldn't create the same conditions a south wind does just inverse of a south wind as far as tides are concerned.

Anyone care to explain.

[torchee]

Serious question regarding the effects of south winds and colder water. Why don't north winds have the same impact on water temps as south winds do. Every day there are 4 tide changes. Half of each day the ocean currents are running south to north in our area (incoming tides) and north to south (outgoing tide) the other half of the day. If a south wind causes upwelling, I assume more so during outgoing tides when wind is against tide, why wouldn't a prevailing north wind cause the same upwelling during incoming tides. That's never seemed to be the case though as a north wind tends to have a positive impact on bottom fishing yet a south wind is the kiss of death. Never understood why a north wind wouldn't create the same conditions a south wind does just inverse of a south wind as far as tides are concerned.

Anyone care to explain.

North of the Jersey Coast is land - when considering the near coastal water. So the wind is coming off of Connecticut and New England.When the wind comes south it is blowing off of hundreds of miles of water.

I'm sure a north wind makes upwelling, just not here in NJ where a Nort wind blows off the land.

[frugalfisherman]

Hemisphere.

In some coastal areas of the ocean (and large lakes such as the North American Great Lakes), the combination of persistent winds, Earth's rotation (the Coriolis effect), and restrictions on lateral movements of water caused by shorelines and shallow bottoms induces upward and downward water movements. As explained above, the Coriolis effect plus the frictional coupling of wind and water (Ekman transport) cause net movement of surface water at about 90 degrees to the right of the wind direction in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left of the wind direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Coastal upwelling occurs where Ekman transport moves surface waters away from the coast; surface waters are replaced by water that wells up from below.
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Where Ekman transport moves surface waters toward the coast, the water piles up and sinks in the process known as downwelling. This example is from the Northern Hemisphere.

Where Ekman transport moves surface waters toward the coast, the water piles up and sinks in the process known as coastal downwelling. Upwelling and downwelling illustrate mass continuity in the ocean; that is, water is a continuous fluid so that a change in distribution of water in one area is accompanied by a compensating change in water distribution in another area.

Upwelling is most common along the west coast of continents (eastern sides of ocean basins). In the Northern Hemisphere, upwelling occurs along west coasts (e.g., coasts of California, Northwest Africa) when winds blow from the north (causing Ekman transport of surface water away from the shore). Winds blowing from the south cause upwelling along continents' eastern coasts in the Northern Hemisphere, although it is not as noticeable because of the western boundary currents. Upwelling also occurs along the west coasts in the Southern Hemisphere (e.g., coasts of Chile, Peru, and southwest Africa) when the wind direction is from the south because the net transport of surface water is westward away from the shoreline. Winds blowing from the north cause upwelling along the continents' eastern coasts in the Southern Hemisphere.
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Eastern boundary current flowing southward along the California coast of the Western, United States. The image is created from Sea Surface Temperature (SST) data from the MODIS instrument, on the Aqua satellite and shows upwelling in the California Current system. The range of orange and purple colors, depict cooler water temperatures resulting from upwelling. The grey shapes, on the left are clouds.
Credit: Image provided by Norman Kuring, NASA/GSFC







Upwelling and downwelling also occur in the open ocean where winds cause surface waters to diverge (move away) from a region (causing upwelling) or to converge toward some region (causing downwelling). For example, upwelling takes place along much of the equator. Recall that the deflection due to the Coriolis effect reverses direction on either side of the equator. Hence, westward-flowing, wind-driven surface currents near the equator turn northward on the north side of the equator and southward on the south side. Surface waters are moved away from the equator and replaced by upwelling waters.
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Equatorial upwelling. (A) In this plan view of the ocean from 5 degrees S to 5 degrees N, the trade winds of the two hemispheres are shown to converge near the equator. The consequent Ekman transport away from the equator gives rise to upwelling as shown in (B) a vertical cross section from 5 degrees S to 5 degrees N

Upwelling and downwelling influence sea-surface temperature and biological productivity. Upwelling waters may originate below the pycnocline and are therefore colder than the surface waters they replace. Sometimes upwelling waters are confined to the mixed layer depending on the thickness of the warm layer. You may have experienced upwelling at the beach on a windy day when the warm surface water was blown offshore and replaced by chilly water from below. Where the thermocline is shallow, the upwelling waters are usually rich in the dissolved nutrients (e.g., nitrogen and phosphate compounds) required for phytoplankton growth. This nutrient transport into the surface waters where sunlight, also required for phytoplankton growth (photic zone), is present, results in rapid growth of phytoplankton populations. Since phytoplankton form the base of marine food webs, the world's most productive fisheries are located in areas of coastal upwelling that bring cold nutrient rich waters to the surface (especially in the eastern boundary regions of the subtropical gyres); about half the world's total fish catch comes from upwelling zones. On the other hand, in zones of coastal downwelling, the surface layer of warm, nutrient-deficient water thickens as water sinks. Downwelling reduces biological productivity and transports heat, dissolved materials, and surface waters rich in dissolved oxygen to greater depths. This occurs along the west coast of Alaska in the eastern boundary region of the Gulf of Alaska gyre (driven by winds in the Aleutian low).

Alternate upwelling of nutrient poor and nutrient rich waters off the coast of Ecuador and Peru are associated with El Niño and La Niña episodes in the tropical Pacific. During El Niño the pycnocline is so deep that the upwelled waters come from the nutrient poor waters above the pycnocline. In extreme cases, nutrient-deficient waters coupled with over-fishing cause fisheries to collapse bringing about severe, extended economic impacts.

Coastal upwelling and downwelling also influence weather and climate. Along the northern and central California coast, upwelling lowers sea surface temperatures and increases the frequency of summer fogs. Relatively cold surface waters chill the overlying humid marine air to saturation so that thick fog develops. Upwelling cold water inhibits formation of tropical cyclones (e.g., hurricanes), because tropical cyclones derive their energy from warm surface waters. During El Niño and La Niña, changes in sea-surface temperature patterns associated with warm and cold-water upwelling off the northwest coast of South America and along the equator in the tropical Pacific affect the inter-annual distribution of precipitation around the globe (see soon to be listed websites for more on the effects of these changes).

Adapted from DataStreme Ocean and
used with permission of the
American Meteorological Society.



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[jmurr711]

sea bass gonna be chewing off bottom of boats thanks nmfs

[stevelikes2fish]

Wonder what the winter flounder will do.

[tautog]

Disappear as they have been doing the past 3 weeks. Flounder always start to taper off in September, storm or no storm.

[Reel Class]

sea bass gonna be chewing off bottom of boats thanks nmfs


this true

[Reel Class]

It seems every fall whether it's in late September or early october we get a week or so of sustained NE --- nothing new

Once the ocean settles inshore bottom fishing (porgies tog seabass etcx) should be fine but ling and flounder as well as cod will probably slow down as they always do into October. Fluke gonna be gone, and more bass and bluefish will start to show.

Problem is I see this NE extending into almost next weekend!!!

Canal tog.

[Hunter 2]

This weekend is looking unfishable due to wind for smaller boats.

[tombanjo]

Thanks Frugal, was able to follow most of that. Can you put it into sound bite form for the next guy that asks me why a south wind is colder instead of warmer.

[shrimpman steve]

Cancel my montauk trip, that's what it just did for me

[RAMMFISH66]

Rough surf @ the Hook yesterday BUT cocktails were in the wash...I was alone and catching them...strong undertow and not good to be standing in.....see 'ya all later, Robbie