If You Run a Gas Boat You Need to Take Action

[Gerry Zagorski]

We all know how E10 Ethanol is tough on gasoline marine engines. It does not store well, reduces fuel economy, ruins fuel system components, it separates, absorbs water etc....

There is now a move to go from E10, a 10% blend to E15, which would make it a 15% blend. If you're like me and think this is a bad move, please click the link below and voice your concern.

https://www.votervoice.net/NMMA/Campaigns/38547/Respond

[Duffman]

Brought this up years ago here, when the topic was being thrown around in the auto industry.

Still don't think it will happen. Or I should say, it MAY happen, but E-10 will still be readily available.

Manufacturers claiming their cars wont run, damage to components will happen, etc etc.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Duff - I know you are a car guy... Is it me or did the fuel ecomomy on cars drop considerably when they started selling E10?

If that's the case, I can't even imagine what it did to fuel ecomomy on boats where the engines work twice as hard.

[Joey Dah Fish]

I noticed a drastic fall in my MPG many years back in winter like starting Jan 1st for several years and continuing to this day. I'm not quite sure but I heard at a particular time each winter the start oxygenating fuel. Is the correct?

[Fin Reaper]

Not 100% sure I but I think I remember reading that producing a gallon of ethanol is more damaging to the environment than a gallon of gas and requires more energy to make than it returns.

[bulletbob]

I was an auto tech for years.. Ethanol is 40% less efficient than gasoline... In other words, if you get 20 mpg in a car on 1 gallon of gasoline, you will only get 12 mpg on straight ethanol... So yes, you will get a mile or two a gallon less on 10% ethanol/gasoline , because 10% of the fuel in your tank has a 40% loss of efficiency.. I hope that makes sense... bob

[DMac]

What we need to do is fight an even bigger fight and push for non ethanol gas to be sold at all marine stations. It is possible many states below the mason dixon line sell it as recreational non ethanol gas or just as marine fuel. I say it should be sold everywhere because ethanol fuels do not give you the fuel economy and cause many engine issues. If anyone knows how to get this started I am willing to do whatever I can to help. How nice would it be to be able to fill boat with non ethanol. No more costly treatment additives etc. No more issues with ethanol.

Dennis

Pm me if you want to go this route

[Rubberhead]

Done

[waynedane]

What we need to do is fight an even bigger fight and push for non ethanol gas to be sold at all marine stations. It is possible many states below the mason dixon line sell it as recreational non ethanol gas or just as marine fuel. I say it should be sold everywhere because ethanol fuels do not give you the fuel economy and cause many engine issues. If anyone knows how to get this started I am willing to do whatever I can to help. How nice would it be to be able to fill boat with non ethanol. No more costly treatment additives etc. No more issues with ethanol.

Dennis

Pm me if you want to go this route

I get non ethanol gas in allentown for my boat and it runs great, it is over 1.00 per gallon more tho.

[DMac]

I get non ethanol gas in allentown for my boat and it runs great, it is over 1.00 per gallon more tho.

Yeah I run her down in fall and fill her up there for winter storage now too, but when your boat holds 205 gallons that becomes hard during season.

How much easier would it be to be able to buy it everywhere

[Gerry Zagorski]

If oil prices fall, at some price price point it does not make finacial sense to refine any more Ethanol. It will be way less expensive to refine the cheaper oil.

Problem is our government maindates Ethanol so either way, we will be forced to pay for it at the pump.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-running-room-store-oil-171025359.html

[Flukinator]

Ethanol is also a major part of the reason why corn is the only crop a lot of farmers can afford to grow, and which has lead to a load of environmental and economic issues in this country. And it's all just to line the pockets of politicians who have Monsanto and lobbyists filling their coffers. It does take more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline. It should be out of our fuel, PERIOD.

I signed this one, and more should be done.

[Joey Dah Fish]

Ethanol is also a major part of the reason why corn is the only crop a lot of farmers can afford to grow, and which has lead to a load of environmental and economic issues in this country. And it's all just to line the pockets of politicians who have Monsanto and lobbyists filling their coffers. It does take more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline. It should be out of our fuel, PERIOD.

I signed this one, and more should be done.

Not to mention that because of ethanol using corn the beef industry is paying triple the amount for beef hence the current out of control price of beef. Those bastards in DC are raping us every which way to Sunday

[Joey Dah Fish]

Not to mention that because of ethanol using corn the beef industry is paying triple the amount for beef hence the current out of control price of beef. Those bastards in DC are raping us every which way to Sunday
Sorry feed

[shrimpman steve]

It effects everything, right down to the price of tortillas

[Parker Joe]

Read your owners manuals. I know Yamaha outboards are not to be used with E-15.:eek:

[DMac]

If other states can sell non ethanol fuel tagged as rec gas or whatever it has to be possible in NJ. Someone has to know how to push this and we just need to stand together on this and we can get it done. I think we should go back to non ethanol across the board but if we can take this baby step it could be the first step necessary to get ball rolling. Im tired of ethanol and issues it has caused for me having tanks pumped out and constantly worrying about what could be next. Time to do something I willing to do work, but need to know how to get ball rolling.

[dales529]

Legislation Introduced to Eliminate the Corn Ethanol Mandate in Motor Fuel



New Gretna, NJ - On Thursday, February 26, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Pat Toomey introduced the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015. This bill, S.577, if passed and signed into law, would eliminate the corn ethanol mandate portion of the Renewable Fuel Standard, which while it falls short of capping the amount of ethanol required in motor fuels, is a step in the right direction.



"The RFA supports this bill," said Jim Donofrio, executive director of the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA), "because passage could lead to the elimination of the threat of E15 fuels being mandated for use in recreational boats and a rethinking of the entire Renewable Fuel Standard."



The bill would gut the main driver of higher ethanol content in motor fuels, corn. The powerful corn lobby has been pushing for the increase, which threatens boat engines and marine fuel systems.



The RFA joins the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) in applauding the move by Senators Toomey and Feinstein as they work together, across the aisle, to address the critical flaws of the Renewable Fuel Standard. The RFS is a broken law which sets unrealistic fuel mandates and requires a long term fix from Congress. The recreational boating community as a whole knows first-hand the problems associated with the RFS. This damage hurts manufacturers during a time of important economic recovery and places the burden of unnecessary risks upon the shoulders of American consumers.



Last week's bill is in addition to Congressman Bob Goodlatte's Renewable Fuel Standard Elimination Act (H.R. 1461) and the Renewable Fuel Standard Reform Act (H.R. 1462). A strong bicameral approach to RFS reform has emerged, pointing towards what NMMA hopes will be Congressional action this year.

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[mahigold]

Contact Senator Menendez for help. Oh wait, forget that!

[DMac]

My question is how do why are other states allowed to sell non ethanol fuel and nj does not sell it. I am not fine with it but if they want to sell that crap for cars ok but at least let it be sold for boats and as rec gas. They should just eliminateb it all together but im ok with baby steps but not ok with just not increasing it to 15%.