This has to be said.

[Capt Sal]

First of all I do not want to create a shit storm with what I have to say. I get calls every day asking about ''open boat'' trips and what I charge. I have only ran a total of 2 open boat trips ever. The open boat forum does not mean all ''charter boats'' run open all the time. Here is the problem as I see it. The open boat was meant to fill a charter when someone was short of six people. It is no longer the once in a while filling a full charter but instead it has become the norm.
To run a ''six pack'' charter open all the time puts all the responsibility on the shoulders of the captain. Instead of booking up your calendar with deposits and knowing where you stand you become a secretary as well as a captain. This means your cell phone rings all day and makes it harder to concentrate on giving the customers on your boat the service they deserve. I believe it will be the ruination of the charter boat industry rather than save it. I have run a construction company and a charter boat business for many years and I feel I know what I am talking about. What is better than a day on the water with friends and family. Plan a in advance a book a trip with the charter boat of your choice. It is common knowledge that bass run from late April thru June. Fluke are a summer fish and so on. As far as I see it a party boat is an open boat and a charter boat is exactly what it says-FOR CHARTER. If you disagree with me that is fine this is just my opinion. If you are a young captain and think you are going to make a living running a charter boat open think again. I wish the best for all of the for hire boats and hope you have a safe and profitable season.

[kmaty]

I slapped myself in the forehead after reading this!!!

This is why one boat will stay tied at dock until sat and Sunday and others will hustle and sail everyday wasn't guna put this last part but for the guys who put their work in deserve it . I rarely ever fish the open charters but csn certainly respect them putting the extra effort in! If you have other obligations to your other business that's on you. Keep on keeping on guys!

[Roman' Round Charters]

I have always been taught to respect my elders so ill keep this short and to the point. Fishing changes day to day and sometimes hour to hour. Our industry is changing and you either have to change with it or get out of the way. All respects capt. But that needed to be said. :)

[Mako333]

I slapped myself in the forehead after reading this!!!

This is why one boat will stay tied at dock until sat and Sunday and others will hustle and sail everyday wasn't guna put this last part but for the guys who put their work in deserve it . I rarely ever fish the open charters but csn certainly respect them putting the extra effort in! If you have other obligations to your other business that's on you. Keep on keeping on guys!

well said can never understand when people complain about being to biusy

[sportfishingusa]

Started in Cape May and running all over the state and coast now. Open boats are a thing of the future and thus why most will not last in the industry. Guys will come and go but the ones who fill books and fill.boats with charters and are.not scrounging for passengers will last while others will fade oor just use the open boats to fill some spots and help cover their costs.

[cark2044]

Amazing for you to say this. For the past few years I have witnessed you advertising in the open boat & (I know) charter forum. However you never have the same boat. One time it's an old luhrs,26 regulator, 32 contender or a downeast boat. Maybe your business would be a little more steady and more reliable if people knew what boat and where they were going to sail from for each trip. Stop hating on the "open" charter boats that have a steady business in a changing economy and business. The guys that are trying to make it with the open boats are guys that are doing this full time, many don't have other jobs or pensions to fall back on when the weather doesn't permitted sailing or the full charters aren't beating down the doors for them like they are for you.

[makosnax]

I will be right back, going to make some popcorn.

[Harpoon]

It's you business and you should treat it how you want. It's just bad business to look down on how someone else in your industry runs their business. Ultimately you are all in to make money on the water and have some fun.

[Bass Specialist]

In this economy to have only have had to run 2 open boat trips ever, consider yourself very fortunate. Peoples plans change, they back out etc. so things happen. I'm all for open boat trips. I have my own business so it's tough to plan in advance when I'll have a free day let alone watch the fishing reports and the weather on top of it all. And if your running a trip you can get back to potential clients after the trip is over.

[Bass Specialist]

Ps I've caught my biggest bass close to. 50lbs on a golden touch open boat trip

[Striperswiper]

The "good old days" are over. In any business if you don't change with the times you are out.
Everyone who posted here sees it differently than you so take a good hard look at your business plan , if you have one, and make some changes.
Best wishes

Capt Brian

[Rick-D]

It is raining outside, so good time for a shit storm. ;)

I think guys are reading into this too much.:confused:

Don't assume all charters run open boat. (Educational)
You rarely run open boat, so stop calling to ask. (Sal's dilemma)
It is tough to make a living running open boat because you need to be a secretary too. (Empathy for other Captains)
Good luck to all for hires and to a profitable season. (Well wishes to all)

Man we really need better weather and the Stripers to start biting.:)

[Blackfish Doug]

I fish once a week I find it very difficult to find 6 people who can fish on my schedule. I'm either off Mondays or Tuesdays & Thursdays every week it can change from Mondays or Tuesdays. I know many like myself look for the open trips it's not easy to find they do fill up quick. This week I could not get on any open trips so I opted for a party boat trip & it was horrible fishing. I only wish I finished it up by blackfishing but a bad call on my part. Sal I feel for you but the times are changing I like myself do this every week. I go on tuna trips open as well as many other things try getting 6 putting all that cash together & you can see my point. I put many charters together but try to get 6 reliable people every week & you can see my point. I like many others who do this enjoy going on open trips. I get the opportunity to fish with many of the sponsors & see how their operation works. I post reports & take time out with pictures to promote their business. I feel that my insights & efforts is very good for our sponsors business. I usually don't fish alone I usually have somebody that will come with me as well so I help fill in many voids. I know it's a lot of work this is the new nature of the business many do well with it. I know most who know me & others who go from boat to boat like doing this as well. Every week the bite changes from place to place so I'm not stuck to one area. I guess it goes like the like that old Bob Dylan song the times there are changin. If your happy about your business & don't need to change the way you feel about it so be it I'm happy for you. But please don't criticize the people who make the time & effort to make things possible for people like me & others who enjoy the open charter boat forums.

[Islander II]

First of all I do not want to create a shit storm with what I have to say. I get calls every day asking about ''open boat'' trips and what I charge. I have only ran a total of 2 open boat trips ever. The open boat forum does not mean all ''charter boats'' run open all the time. Here is the problem as I see it. The open boat was meant to fill a charter when someone was short of six people. It is no longer the once in a while filling a full charter but instead it has become the norm.
To run a ''six pack'' charter open all the time puts all the responsibility on the shoulders of the captain. Instead of booking up your calendar with deposits and knowing where you stand you become a secretary as well as a captain. This means your cell phone rings all day and makes it harder to concentrate on giving the customers on your boat the service they deserve. I believe it will be the ruination of the charter boat industry rather than save it. I have run a construction company and a charter boat business for many years and I feel I know what I am talking about. What is better than a day on the water with friends and family. Plan a in advance a book a trip with the charter boat of your choice. It is common knowledge that bass run from late April thru June. Fluke are a summer fish and so on. As far as I see it a party boat is an open boat and a charter boat is exactly what it says-FOR CHARTER. If you disagree with me that is fine this is just my opinion. If you are a young captain and think you are going to make a living running a charter boat open think again. I wish the best for all of the for hire boats and hope you have a safe and profitable season.
Let your phone go to voice mail and state that you are a "charter only" business. Let the other guys run open. Both options are needed. Simple as that!

[Capt Sal]

Started in Cape May and running all over the state and coast now. Open boats are a thing of the future and thus why most will not last in the industry. Guys will come and go but the ones who fill books and fill.boats with charters and are.not scrounging for passengers will last while others will fade oor just use the open boats to fill some spots and help cover their costs.

Exactly what I mean. I do not blame anyone for running open. I tried it and don't like it. The problem is it just my be the future. Not every charter runs open and that is a fact. When a guy calls and needs two more that is when the ''open boat'' forum should be used.

[Capt Sal]

I have always been taught to respect my elders so ill keep this short and to the point. Fishing changes day to day and sometimes hour to hour. Our industry is changing and you either have to change with it or get out of the way. All respects capt. But that needed to be said. :)

Capt you are not disrespecting me at all.You are entitled to your opinion and can run your show the way you see it. This post is my opinion and there are many other Capts. that feel the same way. The internet can be a double edged sword!

[SplitShot]

Of course every business is run differently... but I'm grateful for Open Boat Charters because I never have enough people to charter and I would never be able to get out.:D

[frugalfisherman]

I fish on head boats. they're always open and a lot cheaper.

[Andreas Toy]

Intersting Read. have read the responses and everyone has valid points, since I started Andreas Toy 15 years ago, I have notices lots of changes in the fishing industry. The business model for us is "Charters", however, we offer "open boat" for limited passengers on our offshore trips. Reason is to give anglers an opportunity to sample our brand of fishing,and can't book the whole boat. Those trips have been a huge success and most of the fares come back to book the whole boat with their hardcore friends. I do believe the charter industry has changed and it's up to every Captain to do business which suits the needs of the Operation and customers alike. I wish all othe charter operators luck and success this year!

[ytuna]

I prefer fishing on six packs. I get out on open boat trips once or twice a week through the whole year. If I could only fish on charters I put together that number would go way down.

The point is - thanks to all the guys that do open boat trips. They do a lot of work to keep hard core fishermen fishing.

What really needs to be said is that some folks abuse the open boat system. They make a reservation and don't show up (and don't pay).

If you enjoy fishing open boats you should treat your reservation as a commitment. If you cancel and the captain does not fill the spot send the man his fare plus a tip for the mate.

Open boats provide a very important service to the fishing community, especially the NJFishing.com community. A big thanks to those that offer us their outstanding service.

Bill

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

...... So I will say this...... I'm sorry to the people I have recently responded to, (some who have respond to this post), who were turned away or called only to be told " I'm sorry, I have a full boat today". I've been in this business many years as well, my composite notebooks with hand-drawn pictures are priceless :) If the business remained what it was 20 years ago, maybe it would be the status quo today. Maybe I should stick with the composite notebook and screw the computer or GPS. Bottom line, I will, like others, do what it takes to conform to an industry that has evolved, been over regulated and produce for my customers, past, present and future. End of story. My best of luck to everyone in this industry always, it's far from easy. Call me anytime, I am always willing to learn and to teach.

[beachwhistle]

Rarely charter anymore but I used to several times a year. In January everyone wants to go. The week before the trip the excuses start - bad weather, other commitments, kid sick, no money etc. When I wound up splitting a 600. charter (+tip) with one other guy I decided to do only open boats and haven't looked back.
Buddy wants to go too - here's the captains # call and reserve your spot and you pay him if you don't show up.
Can't always get out when I want but it's a lot cheaper than owning my own boat.

[Ryelof]

Rarely charter anymore but I used to several times a year. In January everyone wants to go. The week before the trip the excuses start - bad weather, other commitments, kid sick, no money etc. When I wound up splitting a 600. charter (+tip) with one other guy I decided to do only open boats and haven't looked back.
Buddy wants to go too - here's the captains # call and reserve your spot and you pay him if you don't show up.
Can't always get out when I want but it's a lot cheaper than owning my own boat.

Exactly what I wanted to say.

[Bass_Appeal]

im not a charter or for hire ! but ill open my boat to whoever wants to put in for fuel and bait lmfao ....point being .... stop whining and drop the line in ! u aint making money or catching fish ...if ur crying on here ! just sayin

[rumster]

I fish on head boats. they're always open and a lot cheaper.

At the end of the day there`s a niche for everyone. Yes, head boats are cheaper, but you certainly receive less service and more often than not your shoulder to shoulder with another guy. The head boats do the absolute best they can at a time when it is very difficult to make a living considering fuel costs and ever tightening restrictions on bag limits. Personally, I love open boats and would rather go out a few less times and have plenty of room.

[parker pete sportfishing]

We are not aloud to run open boat where im docked in Belmar, and im fine with that. The headache of guys saying they will show and then not is brutal... I will try to fill a charter that has a few back out , and even that can be a headache. I much prefer the group of friends with no drama of splitting fish and or political views.... It can get annoying .... Just get out there and enjoy yourself...

[CatchEmUp]

I fish once a week I find it very difficult to find 6 people who can fish on my schedule. I'm either off Mondays or Tuesdays & Thursdays every week it can change from Mondays or Tuesdays. I know many like myself look for the open trips it's not easy to find they do fill up quick. This week I could not get on any open trips so I opted for a party boat trip & it was horrible fishing. I only wish I finished it up by blackfishing but a bad call on my part. Sal I feel for you but the times are changing I like myself do this every week. I go on tuna trips open as well as many other things try getting 6 putting all that cash together & you can see my point. I put many charters together but try to get 6 reliable people every week & you can see my point. I like many others who do this enjoy going on open trips. I get the opportunity to fish with many of the sponsors & see how their operation works. I post reports & take time out with pictures to promote their business. I feel that my insights & efforts is very good for our sponsors business. I usually don't fish alone I usually have somebody that will come with me as well so I help fill in many voids. I know it's a lot of work this is the new nature of the business many do well with it. I know most who know me & others who go from boat to boat like doing this as well. Every week the bite changes from place to place so I'm not stuck to one area. I guess it goes like the like that old Bob Dylan song the times there are changin. If your happy about your business & don't need to change the way you feel about it so be it I'm happy for you. But please don't criticize the people who make the time & effort to make things possible for people like me & others who enjoy the open charter boat forums.

Bingo! +1
If I had 5 other hardcore guys that all shared the same schedule and I knew they would either not back out even in the sportiest of conditions or if they did they'd pay their freight w/o me chasing them, then I'd book in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, that's just not the case and I try to get on a quality boat when I have a chance where I've always enjoyed meeting a bunch of great guys (and some gals).

[blkbear]

not filling and open day with an open boat is foolish and not very smart.
New customers come on the open boat and enjoy it can lead them booking the boat in the future.

[bulletbob]

[QUOTE=frugalfisherman;354122]I fish on head boats. they're always open and a lot cheaper.[/QUOTE

Correct.. also slower, more crowded, and very often a lot less productive .

:)

[bigmaccharters]

hi men, BIG MAC take on open boat trips. 37th.year, until the last two years never did them. for some reason lately guys having trouble getting a full crew together, work obligations, overtime, etc. in this weak economy. have offered these trips @ so far has worked well. lots of extra work for the captain, posting, phone calls, etc. sometimes three separate groups become good fishing buddies. as a captain it is definitely easier to book a full charter but this business is 24/7, make the extra effort. best, capt. jim

[MrAC1980]

For the guys that solely try to make a living on the boat, any day tied to the dock is a revenue they can never recover. If that means doing open boat trips so be it. If being on the phone too much is an issue then hire your wife/gf/partner to take the calls and bookings. As guys have mentioned, its the jerks that reserve trips and don't show up that ruin it for everyone else. The guys that are out there every day I think have a major advantage over the weekend warriors which I know for me I take into consideration when choosing my boat/Capts.

Honestly in my opinion its a major PITA to try and book charters way in advance. Plan the day for months, get guys together, deposits, etc. Then the trip gets blown out and has to be rescheduled. Now you're back to the drawing board seeing if all the guys can make the new date, and if not then giving back refunds, finding diff guys to fill the trip, etc. FFFFthatttt! Now when a few of us want to get in on a trip, we pick our date and what we want to do and jump on an Open Boat of choice.

[arat]

I fish on head boats. they're always open and a lot cheaper.

I would not say a lot cheaper you an get on a open boat for between $100 and $130 head boats are what $60-$65- $70
and the odds are much more in your favor. Then when think about the tackle you lose. On a head boat you use and lose your own sinkers, your own hooks, leader, swivels on a charter all the lead and rigs are provided so after you factor all that in is it really that much cheaper?

Plus you can't live line on a head boat usually. I know the Mohawk runs special trips but I think they are more expensive anyway. If your bottom fishing no
Guarantee that you will be on the best part of the wreck lots of ifs that get eliminated on a smaller charter boat and what if the fish are on the troll? I admit boring way to fish but sometimes that's what you have to do.

[EEL killer]

Open boats are great for us ,fisherman .We get to make new friends ,learn new tricks . If you prefer to be tied at the dock instead of fishing then by all means do so .While it could be a headache to fill an open boat there is profit in it . So for those guys who want to loose 20-30 trips per year :It's your business go ahead and see if you survive, for the rest of us who want to fish it's a great thing. I do around 100 trips a year and I love open boats !!!
EElKiller

[jmurr711]

Open boats are great for us ,fisherman .We get to make new friends ,learn new tricks . If you prefer to be tied at the dock instead of fishing then by all means do so .While it could be a headache to fill an open boat there is profit in it . So for those guys who want to loose 20-30 trips per year :It's your business go ahead and see if you survive, for the rest of us who want to fish it's a great thing. I do around 100 trips a year and I love open boats !!!
EElKiller

you fish 4 days a week times 52 that bes more then 100 lol

[EEL killer]

you fish 4 days a week times 52 that bes more then 100 lol

Shhhh Joe my wife maybe reading this LMAO

[Jay]

you fish 4 days a week times 52 that bes more then 100 lol


He might as well buy a charter boat..... :D;)

[EEL killer]

He might as well buy a charter boat..... :D;)

Jay I met you on open boat ,I met Vinnie and scuba and Chris on open boat . It's about having a good time and making new friends for me . I guess some Cpt's only care about making money which I completely understand and that's why I do not fish with them.

[Jay]

Jay I met you on open boat ,I met Vinnie and scuba and Chris on open boat . It's about having a good time and making new friends for me . I guess some Cpt's only care about making money which I completely understand and that's why I do not fish with them.

Exactly, I couldn't agree with you more. I met some awesome people including you ;) on open boat. Fishing changes just like life changes, you have to keep up with the flow. It's hard putting a charter together even with six guys/gals. I'm 110% for open charters.

[EEL killer]

Exactly, I couldn't agree with you more. I met some awesome people including you ;) on open boat. Fishing changes just like life changes, you have to keep up with the flow. It's hard putting a charter together even with six guys/gals. I'm 110% for open charters.

Many good boats run open boats ,Monger ,Tagged Fish ,Fisher Price ,Andrea Toy (offshore),Canyon Runner ,Jersey Hooker ,Russian Roulette and the list goes on and on .So if one Cpt. decides not to do it, Hell no problem ,we will survive without him .We will just take out 10k a year and give it to another Cpt who appreciates us.:D

[Looselipps]

Iwas trying to go out Mon or Tues of next week i m glad i didnt call thanks for the info.Ill Try Down Deep

[EEL killer]

Iwas trying to go out Mon or Tues of next week i m glad i didnt call thanks for the info.Ill Try Down Deep

U might want to try Tagged Fish or Fisher Price as well .Both really good boats. Another customer lost !!!!

[Looselipps]

Thanks Jay you showed me how it was done on the Mimi

[EEL killer]

Thanks Jay you showed me how it was done on the Mimi
Jay caught a fish ? Impossible lol

[njboarder]

I have done a number of open boat charters in the past and definitely see its place in the business for various reasons already mentioned and appreciate it very much.
Yes, it must have been a PIA for the captain's part to work with 6 unproven individuals rather than a single party, but I think those everyday captains would rather take 6 individual anglers than no charter.
Plus, I've seen a few open boat customers becoming regulars.

[Jay]

Jay caught a fish ? Impossible lol

I caught a nice buzz...... :D ;) :eek:

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

Iwas trying to go out Mon or Tues of next week i m glad i didnt call thanks for the info.Ill Try Down Deep

Join our "SNL" (short notice list) on our website and be kept informed of all our upcoming trips. If we run open next week, we look forward to seeing you and everyone else aboard!

[EEL killer]

Join our "SNL" (short notice list) on our website and be kept informed of all our upcoming trips. If we run open next week, we look forward to seeing you and everyone else aboard!

^^^ And that gentlemen is how a businessman handles it ^^^

[Bucktailboys.com]

Must be raining really hard and windy! Thoroughly enjoying this post =-) See what happens when we are stuck inside for more than a day. Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings in term of posts.

Keefe

[Captain Rich]

I hope everybody who supports the open boat format, calls and books a trip for this weekend. The forecast looks good and the fish need to be taught a lesson ! :)

[bulletbob]

To each his own of course.. I give credit to charters that run open.. They need to keep the lights on, and pay the mortgage.. Better to sail than to sit, even if its not a "big money" day...

Of course, if an established captain has a steady charter only clientele with lots of repeat business, and doesn't need to run open, thats great as well..
Let me add a personal experience..
I tried getting a charter together a few months ago.. Started in January for a late June charter, to assure ample time.. Between, all the "maybes", "we'll see", "I"ll let you know", "ask me again when the day is closer".. No one wanted to drive down, spend $100 for the boat beer and food, etc etc.. BULLSHIT!@... I contacted the Mimi, got the ball rolling, and one by one, most crapped out when it was time to send in the deposit.. Second time this has happened.. NEVER again.. I do plan a trip aboard the Mimi this season when bottom fishing heats up, On a day they run open,but I will go alone, or bring my son, or a friend from work. Of course I will reserve a space.. or two,,
I am grateful there are charter boats that go out "open" when not chartered.. Better fishing, less crowded, more individual attention to detail due to a much smaller group.. Whats not to like?.. Its probably worth the increased fare most of the time.. I hope to explore a few "ooen charters" this year.. bob

[Detour66]

For me a open charter works just fine and is preferred. As a former private boat owner party boats are just to crowded on most weekends and although I would like to charter a boat it's just too tough for me to get the people to commit. I think as a captain of a charter whatever works....works! As long as you stay in business and keep busy! Have a good season!

[Fish Stix]

Well I think enough has been said here and I agree with most. But here is the way I feel.....

Booking a charter is a pain, I know, the excuses become endless. We do plenty of charters through out the season, but we are a full time charter/open boat and if it takes running open boat trips to sail 7 days a week, so be it. Being a secretary is what owning a business is all about, responsibility.

New customers come all the time by themselves. Maybe they don't want to risk being the charter master and ya get hacked. Who knows, but if he likes you, your mate, boat, you catch, whatever, they book trips or who knows maybe come twice a week with a buddy. And even better it can become a friendly relationship.

Anyway, It's called hustle and hard work and fishing even harder, but at the end of the day, it pays off.

Call me the open boat express, I could care less. But we don't stay tied to the dock. And that's that.

Here's to a great season, see ya soon.

Capt Kris

[jmurr711]

Well I think enough has been said here and I agree with most. But here is the way I feel.....

Booking a charter is a pain, I know, the excuses become endless. We do plenty of charters through out the season, but we are a full time charter/open boat and if it takes running open boat trips to sail 7 days a week, so be it. Being a secretary is what owning a business is all about, responsibility.

New customers come all the time by themselves. Maybe they don't want to risk being the charter master and ya get hacked. Who knows, but if he likes you, your mate, boat, you catch, whatever, they book trips or who knows maybe come twice a week with a buddy. And even better it can become a friendly relationship.

Anyway, It's called hustle and hard work and fishing even harder, but at the end of the day, it pays off.

Call me the open boat express, I could care less. But we don't stay tied to the dock. And that's that.

Here's to a great season, see ya soon.

Capt Kris

you go Kakes! & congrats on your special delivery!

[EEL killer]

Well I think enough has been said here and I agree with most. But here is the way I feel.....

Booking a charter is a pain, I know, the excuses become endless. We do plenty of charters through out the season, but we are a full time charter/open boat and if it takes running open boat trips to sail 7 days a week, so be it. Being a secretary is what owning a business is all about, responsibility.

New customers come all the time by themselves. Maybe they don't want to risk being the charter master and ya get hacked. Who knows, but if he likes you, your mate, boat, you catch, whatever, they book trips or who knows maybe come twice a week with a buddy. And even better it can become a friendly relationship.

Anyway, It's called hustle and hard work and fishing even harder, but at the end of the day, it pays off.

Well

Call me the open boat express, I could care less. But we don't stay tied to the dock. And that's that.

Here's to a great season, see ya soon.

Capt Kris

Well said Kris or should I call u open boat express :D

[Fish Stix]

you go Kakes! & congrats on your special delivery!

Thanks!

[Joey Dah Fish]

Ok those of you who know can appreciate my straight to the point blunt response. For this of you that don't please feel free to tear me up I can take it. Here goes " frankly I don't give a rats ass what Sal has to say" I think he values his own opinion to highly :eek: I believe that needed to be said :p it's a great big world the only opinion that matters is your own

[Art Berkman]

Open Boat Trips for Life !!!

[M Rod]

I think the point that sal is trying to make is that open boat trips create a trend that ultimately short changes the charter boat business. Why would someone go through the trouble of putting together a charter when it is so easy to get on an open boat trip. In most cases you get the same service for less cost and us fisherman don't care cause as long as we wet a line were happy. The captain has to deal with uncertainty in his income and the inability to project future income if this trend becomes the norm. I think all he's saying is the open boat forum should be for us fisherman to communicate with each other to fill charters rather than the captain do all the work. In his eyes this is a trend that in the long run isn't beneficial to the charter business. Sometimes statements are taken out of context or perceived the wrong way. I also understand the situation is a bit of a double edged sword because staying tied to the dock isn't beneficial either. And also to be clear I've never met the man or fished with him but I do see what he's saying from a business stand point.

[EEL killer]

I think the point that sal is trying to make is that open boat trips create a trend that ultimately short changes the charter boat business. Why would someone go through the trouble of putting together a charter when it is so easy to get on an open boat trip. In most cases you get the same service for less cost and us fisherman don't care cause as long as we wet a line were happy. The captain has to deal with uncertainty in his income and the inability to project future income if this trend becomes the norm. I think all he's saying is the open boat forum should be for us fisherman to communicate with each other to fill charters rather than the captain do all the work. In his eyes this is a trend that in the long run isn't beneficial to the charter business. Sometimes statements are taken out of context or perceived the wrong way. I also understand the situation is a bit of a double edged sword because staying tied to the dock isn't beneficial either. And also to be clear I've never met the man or fished with him but I do see what he's saying from a business stand point.

If this is how he feels then he should not run open boats .Anybody who has their own business knows,you are the secretary and you hold many positions in your business .He does not want to bother with it cause he is old ?He probably does not like smart phones or computers does that mean we should not use them ?Like I said in my previous post I do 100 open boats a year and his boat I will make sure not to go on .He has uncertainty in his income and the inability to project future income Wa wa wa Someone call a wambulance .

[kmaty]

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I love this!

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...1 beer $10.00
...pop corn$8.00
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[Flukemeister1]

I will be right back, going to make some popcorn.

Now that is FUNNY!!!

[Capt Sal]

I think the point that sal is trying to make is that open boat trips create a trend that ultimately short changes the charter boat business. Why would someone go through the trouble of putting together a charter when it is so easy to get on an open boat trip. In most cases you get the same service for less cost and us fisherman don't care cause as long as we wet a line were happy. The captain has to deal with uncertainty in his income and the inability to project future income if this trend becomes the norm. I think all he's saying is the open boat forum should be for us fisherman to communicate with each other to fill charters rather than the captain do all the work. In his eyes this is a trend that in the long run isn't beneficial to the charter business. Sometimes statements are taken out of context or perceived the wrong way. I also understand the situation is a bit of a double edged sword because staying tied to the dock isn't beneficial either. And also to be clear I've never met the man or fished with him but I do see what he's saying from a business stand point.

You said it better than me.This is exactly what I meant.

[JerseyCoast]

I understand & respect both sides to this argument. Unfortunately, its a sign of the times. Just like the internet has changed the way fishermen buy their tackle! Its not favorable for the actual business who does it full time, but its the way things are going these days and we need to adapt or die.

2 Sides to this:
1- The "charter boat" can offer you a date in stone, while the open boat may not. You know that you are fishing with family & friends, no chance of the trip turning ugly with a stranger who may not see things the way you do. Last thing I want is a stranger getting drunk when my kids are on a trip. I will never take them on an open trip.

2- The way the conditions always change, its nice to know that you can make a call and get fishing in a day or two. This is a big plus in the eyes of a fisherman. ( plus it puts most of the work on the captain, not yourself)

The internet has changed this industry big time! Al you need today is to post photos and your booking charters. Still, the guys who are well known are often booked in advance anyway. ( some even charge more for the same trips and get it)

I think there are 2 sides and there are 2 types of fishermen. I get the complaint and I agree with some of it. But I see the other side too. Same thing as me trying to pay rent and compete with a guy selling from his basement. Only difference is service. The tackle shops are open everyday, while the internet shops are not always available. Only time will tell..... :)

[sportfishingusa]

Simple math question for all parties in question...

Would you rather do 100 trips at 1400 a day, or 200 trips at 700 a day? hahahahahah

[Capt Ray Mad Gaffer]

We fish open all the time. We are a FULL time fishing boat - this is our only occupation. Please feel free to call 24/7 for any charter or open boat needs - we always have time for our current and future customers. Many of our regular charters started with guys that met and became friends on open boat trips we've run. If you don't want to run open boat trips feel free not to but we will

[bulletbob]

I must say that there is an awful lot of disrespect, nastiness, and uncalled for names and personal attacks toward Capt, Sal on this thread,,, He's been in the business for years, and is a prolific contributor on these pages, and always shares his expertise freely here.. His opinion on this matter is valid, even if unpopular.. Some of you guys should dig yourselves a bit, and consider being more respectful..... bob

[sportfishingusa]

no one answered my math problem yet... Anyone willing to give it a try? please provide an explanation to your answer as well hahahah

[Ryelof]

I must say that there is an awful lot of disrespect, nastiness, and uncalled for names and personal attacks toward Capt, Sal on this thread,,, He's been in the business for years, and is a prolific contributor on these pages, and always shares his expertise freely here.. His opinion on this matter is valid, even if unpopular.. Some of you guys should dig yourselves a bit, and consider being more respectful..... bob

+1

[bigmaccharters]

capt. sal, I give it to you, world record response on a post. never to be duplicated. wish you the best, me, 37 yrs. , roll with the punches. IT DONT MEAN NOTHING! best, capt. jim

[M Rod]

no one answered my math problem yet... Anyone willing to give it a try? please provide an explanation to your answer as well hahahah

You didn't ask a math problem. You asked one's preference between the two.

[sportfishingusa]

You didn't ask a math problem. You asked one's preference between the two.



It is not a personal preference, just wondering what someone would do. first you would need to do math to figure out the final numbers for your year.. then choose which one.

[M Rod]

It is not a personal preference, just wondering what someone would do. first you would need to do math to figure out the final numbers for your year.. then choose which one.

There is no difference however one will be able to do his math long before the other.

[BCinerie]

The gross income may be the same but the wear and tear plus the # of hours means the total Cost would be much higher doing 200 trips vs 100 trips.
1 example:


200 trips 100 trips
140000 gross 140000 gross
100000 cost 50000 cost
40000 profit 90000 profit

Cost of sitting at the dock = priceless!!

I like open boats, just another option if you do not like combat fishing on a PArty boat!! but I have never seen an open boat blue fish trip??
I hope this is a great year and we all live to tell about !!!

Tight Lines
BC

[Captain Rich]

You know the anger that this thread provoked really surprised me. Sal posted his opinion, based on his experience of what captains are doing to their businesses. He doesn't run open boat trips. That's all, and it was really directed to the captains. . The response from individual anglers, that he doesn't run the same boat all of the time, that he values his own opinion too highly, or that the anglers are going to take their open trip business elsewhere doesn't affect him at all. To say he went to Florida and died was just low class. Internet keyboards and bad weather bring out the worst in people. Like Forest Gump..."That's all I have to say about that."

[rumster]

I understand & respect both sides to this argument. Unfortunately, its a sign of the times. Just like the internet has changed the way fishermen buy their tackle! Its not favorable for the actual business who does it full time, but its the way things are going these days and we need to adapt or die.

2 Sides to this:
1- The "charter boat" can offer you a date in stone, while the open boat may not. You know that you are fishing with family & friends, no chance of the trip turning ugly with a stranger who may not see things the way you do. Last thing I want is a stranger getting drunk when my kids are on a trip. I will never take them on an open trip.

2- The way the conditions always change, its nice to know that you can make a call and get fishing in a day or two. This is a big plus in the eyes of a fisherman. ( plus it puts most of the work on the captain, not yourself)

The internet has changed this industry big time! Al you need today is to post photos and your booking charters. Still, the guys who are well known are often booked in advance anyway. ( some even charge more for the same trips and get it)

I think there are 2 sides and there are 2 types of fishermen. I get the complaint and I agree with some of it. But I see the other side too. Same thing as me trying to pay rent and compete with a guy selling from his basement. Only difference is service. The tackle shops are open everyday, while the internet shops are not always available. Only time will tell..... :)
Rarely do you see people who drink to the point of where they would make you or your family uncomfortable on an open boat. Usually the guys who spends the extra money for a better fishing experience are there to do just that fish and I have probably fished on open boats 200 times. Obviously there are times when there are exceptions, but rarely.

[Matt A.]

I honestly don't have 5 friends who like to fish, I like the flexibility of these open boat trips, though I can see how they could be inconvenient from a logistics point of view.

[Capt Sal]

We fish open all the time. We are a FULL time fishing boat - this is our only occupation. Please feel free to call 24/7 for any charter or open boat needs - we always have time for our current and future customers. Many of our regular charters started with guys that met and became friends on open boat trips we've run. If you don't want to run open boat trips feel free not to but we will

You also carry way more than six people .This is directed at six pack charters same as Down Deep he carries more. By the way I just booked 8 charters since yesterday.Everyone can run there business the way they want. There is no need to get nasty as I could give two shits what "Joey Da Fish Says''. As far as Chad- I am not in Florida I am here and alive.Now I think this post has gone far enough and can you please lock it or take it down Jerry?