The thing with Fluke.

[snapperbluefish101]

Well, I have been looking at a lot of reports since the beginning of Fluke Season. It seems that the most successful men have been doing what they are supposed to do, looking for the right water temperatures at the right places at the right times. I am confined to mostly fishing from the beach and shore spots where their is Shallow water, so I am mostly exposed to smaller keepers. But, I look up the water temperature for the day of or the following day and find where that cooler water is, and I always find keepers (17.5-19" usually) wherever I go (if I m efficient with my time).

Well, it seems most of the people who have the ability to go far to find big fish and a lot of them seem to go to some of their spots, ignoring the water temperature. Water temperature is the most prioritized factor when finding fish and the certain life you want.'Once you have the right temperature, then take the other biological weather factors into the ball game.

Long story short, why don't people look at the water temperature more often? Plan your day to come. If the lack of resources is a problem, use the link to the Stevens institute of Technology on the fishing tips message board to find the predicted water temperatures for the day of and the day after, as well as the other biological factors.

If the lack of consideration for the water temp is the true reason why you are not catching what you should, please say so. if it is not, i will delete the post. If someone wants me to make a poll, please inform me too.

Generally, many fishermen take nature fiercely and firstly into account, but many still do not.

No day out in nature is perfect, but fishermen can get as close to perfect when they put some consideration and interest into nature simply.

SNAPPERHEAD

[Harpoon]

Are you trying to compare surf fluking with boat fluking or
Just tooting ur own horn for "always" catching keepers?!

[Kevin Bogan]

Are you trying to compare surf fluking with boat fluking or
Just tooting ur own horn for "always" catching keepers?!

he raises good points and is just trying to help other fishermen with research that he is done. Very good thread.

[Harpoon]

he raises good points and is just trying to help other fishermen with research that he is done. Very good thread.

Kevin...I understand the point but comparing surf fluking to deep water ocean fluking is two different games. Besides last time someone said I "always" it's usually bs. Maybe the OP (who i know a lot of people respect) should have phrased it differently then calling out boat guys. Besides what's ur opinion?

Will be in for a replacement tog rod soon btw.

[italianfisherman]

Agree. But, The Party Boat Capts Don't want You to know That.

[jerseyhunter]

Nice post, water temp is number one no matter what the species , be it fresh or salt.

[SNAPS]

Snapperblue makes a good point. Water temps play a large roll, and the wind has a huge effect on water temps, usually This time of year constant or extended periods of west winds usually result in a steady bite. In the other thread gerry made an observation that the water was dirty further off shore, hence the winds play a large roll in water clarity but this is nothing new to many who try to pick their days based on prior , present and forcasted weather conditions, but then again many of us only have the option of sat or sunday.:o

[Pennsy Guy]

Water temp is important, it's true, but a lot(most) gotta work and have to be weekend warriors...water temp is important offshore also.....

[M Rod]

Big difference between surface temp and the temp on the bottom.

[chrislars]

Agree. But, The Party Boat Capts Don't want You to know That.


yeah, but they head to the same exact bottom structures every day (as posted many times on this site in reports!) and then look around if they aren't holding fish. how many times have we read, "headed back to where we fished yesterday and it was fish on immediately!" you know the temp isn't exactly the same from day to day with wind and current shifts.

i tend to believe fluke are around certain types of bottoms or structures more than a temperature line in the water.

[nutleysigns]

Conditions ... Conditions ... Conditions

[joeya78]

Big difference between surface temp and the temp on the bottom.
So true.....

[SNAPS]

yeah, but they head to the same exact bottom structures every day (as posted many times on this site in reports!) and then look around if they aren't holding fish. how many times have we read, "headed back to where we fished yesterday and it was fish on immediately!" you know the temp isn't exactly the same from day to day with wind and current shifts.

i tend to believe fluke are around certain types of bottoms or structures more than a temperature line in the water.

I understand what you are saying, and i agree with a caveat, IMHO only if the temps and current are the same or in a certain range as the day before the fish most likely will be holding there. I think they lay in structure where the btm temps are most comfortable for them and where the currents are conducive to their feeding habit ie they lie in ambush waiting faceing the current as is flows over them as it brings the bait fish over top of them.
Also i dont think the larger fish can tolerate the different temp ranges, idk maybe they are holding in the same structure but are not feeding because of the lower water temp and or fluctuations in current.

[Fin Reaper]

Ok so let me think about this...
IF all of my work is done and responsibilities are met at home,
IF I don't have to be at work,
IF I have the disposable income, AND
IF the weather is not hostile
Then I'm a hack if I don't take water temp into consideration? Seriously?

The young man raises a good point and I am willing to admit he is probably a much better fisherman at 17 than I am at 52 but if any more random factors have to align before I can go fishing then I might as well just sell my stuff now.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Conditions ... Conditions ... Conditions


Exactly ..... Water temps aside, conditions is what makes or breaks Fluke fishing. Tide, wind and the direction and speed of your drift. If you are in an area with wind against tide you might as well be home on the couch. If your drift is too slow or fast it will be tough fishing too. You need to make adjustments to your location and or your boat movement to try and drift in the same direction of the tide.

[No Fluke]

The young man raises a good point and I am willing to admit he is probably a much better fisherman at 17 than I am at 52 but if any more random factors have to align before I can go fishing then I might as well just sell my stuff now.

I think the answer might be the simplest....the area has been overfished.

Not that long ago, I used to see reports here of private boats limiting out every single day and seeing photos posted daily (many by the same guys). I could never figure out why someone needed that many fish....or if it was simply guys exaggerating.

On party boats, it was not uncommon to read the Fishing reports that read "Morning trip had 130 keepers....Joe Blow of New Brunswick won the pool fish". I remember those party boat trips where folks would yell "fish on" with the mates running around with their net while others still had keepers on their hooks. Yes, conditions mattered, but it didn't seem to always matter whether it was windy, sunny, rainy, drift, no drift, etc.

Nowdays, if a party boat comes back with a dozen keepers, it's considered a great day of fishing. I miss the old days.

[Dino]

Well, I have been looking at a lot of reports since the beginning of Fluke Season. It seems that the most successful men have been doing what they are supposed to do, looking for the right water temperatures at the right places at the right times. I am confined to mostly fishing from the beach and shore spots where their is Shallow water, so I am mostly exposed to smaller keepers. But, I look up the water temperature for the day of or the following day and find where that cooler water is, and I always find keepers (17.5-19" usually) wherever I go (if I m efficient with my time).

Well, it seems most of the people who have the ability to go far to find big fish and a lot of them seem to go to some of their spots, ignoring the water temperature. Water temperature is the most prioritized factor when finding fish and the certain life you want.'Once you have the right temperature, then take the other biological weather factors into the ball game.

Long story short, why don't people look at the water temperature more often? Plan your day to come. If the lack of resources is a problem, use the link to the Stevens institute of Technology on the fishing tips message board to find the predicted water temperatures for the day of and the day after, as well as the other biological factors.

If the lack of consideration for the water temp is the true reason why you are not catching what you should, please say so. if it is not, i will delete the post. If someone wants me to make a poll, please inform me too.

Generally, many fishermen take nature fiercely and firstly into account, but many still do not.

No day out in nature is perfect, but fishermen can get as close to perfect when they put some consideration and interest into nature simply.

SNAPPERHEAD

good post but stevens institute site is showing you a SST temp which can vary greatly from the sea floor temp.. in fact a warming trend on the surface can belie a cooling trend on the bottom when wind generated current at the surface moves in an opposite or tangent direction to the current on the bottom. The fisherman who is observant of natural factors such as water temps will always find more success than he who does not, I just think this post oversimplies "nature" into one thing you can just check on the internet before hopping in the boat. imo each day at sea you are confronted by hundreds of factors that create a unique and dynamic set of conditions that day. i've met a lot of guys that are "bait guys", always talking about finding the bait, then you have the water temp guys, the air pressure guys, the water clarity guys, ive never seen evidence that studying one factor puts you on fish more than more old school methods like word of mouth and trial and error.

[shrimpman steve]

The single most important factor in fishing is getting my wife to say its ok to go:eek:

[Flukenstein]

Snapper, Thank you for watching the fluke reports so closely for those of us who don't "always catch keepers where ever we go." Now that you have figured out fluking and mother nature so easily maybe you should consider writing a book so the rest of us can be half as good as you are!

[Fisherman120]

Nowdays, if a party boat comes back with a dozen keepers, it's considered a great day of fishing. I miss the old days.

We must fish different boats then...

[snapperbluefish101]

In response to the Surface Water temperature replies with a reference to basic Chemistry I have resolved to this. Yesterday I fished with Capt George on the ANgler Marathon Fluke trip. Our first drift was at Flynn's Knoll to start the morning.Factor #1: 4 Outgoing tide, drift not too fast. Factor #2: Sun was not too far up yet. Factor #3: outgoing tide stain in the water was present, so the water was dark and offcolor. Well, I used the Bright 6" Chartruse Gulp Grubs with a 4 oz Glow Spro. I had a 4lbder(23") and 6lbder(25") about 10 minutes between another. Also, an angler from the bow fishing next to me jigged a 7lbder too just before I had my two fish, also on chartruse gulp with a Green and White Spro.
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Okay, factor #4: The most important one. Well, we should know hopefully from our High School Chemistry Class that a denser substance is heavier than a less dense substance. Temperature also affects density, with the the molecules of substances much tighter together when their temperature is colder, and much looser apoart when their temperature is warmer. Colder water is denser than warmer water. That means colder water sinks. Here is a fact that I should of observed and realized sooner, but this fact needs to be backed up by looking at water temp( or at least surface water temperature) predictions at a certain fishing spot. Generally, during the 6 hours of the outgoing that warmer surface water from the bay is mixing with the water of the colder ocean pushing the colder water down. Depending on the part of the tide and the area you are fishing, that colder surface water can cool or warm the bottom. It depends on the bottom and Surface Temperatures.

Well, today I looked at the Surface Water Temps by Flynns Knoll on the Steven's Institute Page, for yesterday at 8:00AM, 10-15 minutes before I caught my two fish. The Surface temperature was 75.5-76 degrees roughly. So, it is safe to say that the waters depth at Flynn's is anywhere from 25-40FT. So the bottom temperature at that part of the tide when I had my two fish was probably around 72.7-74 degrees(Don't laugh at my estimation:) ). I hope this was a good example.

Also, I looked up on the internet the Temperature preferences and Upper and Lower Limits of the fish of our area's waters. This site said that Fluke have a upper limit of 72 degrees. Well I don't think that is quite accurate. I had those two fish in about 73+ degree water. So I believe that even the bigger fish, tempending on the spot and types of forage, can take the warmer temps. Also, most of the fish when we were at Flynns were in the 14-16 inch range, with a few nice ones mixed in. But, if you want to consistantly catch a lot of big fish you need to look on for that magic water temperature (63-70degrees), working with a outgoing and incoming tide that makes almost no difference in temperature at the spots you are at and depth you are fishing at.

It seems the conclusion is this. 1. the Fluke's upper water temperature limit is higher than 72 degrees. I believe it is somewhere between 74.5 and 75 degrees. 2. You can find a few big fish in temperatures of 73-74 degrees, but not a ton of them, just a few nice fish. 3. Take into account the water temp precisionally at the spots you want to fish during your outing, and how the depth of the area affects the bottom temperature during all parts of the tide.
4. After taking your water temperature predictions into account, then take in the other factors such as type of bottom, forage, water color, current, and etc.

Here is a question to others, especially Party and Charter Captains.

1. Does your fish finder or possibly another device give you the bottom water temp or only the Surface?

Like I said, a lot of men are in the game, but more should try and they will be awarded with a lot of nice fish.

SNAPPERHEAD

[Blind Archer]

All the boat guys seem to forget their shore days (if they ever had them at all). "Why" not "where" has always been the deciding factor when planning a day. When shorebound, the "where " has so drastically limited by the loss of access that one is limited to controlling the factors that you can. One of which is water temp. But if you prefer to catch shorts and sea robins or skates and sand sharks all day you can always go blindly into your day and join the "this looks like a good spot" fisherman and start cutting squid into triangles. Structure, is number one for fluke as mentioned they being ambush feeders. Take away your GPS, depth sounders and charts and get limited to fishing only when there are no swimmers and get denied anywhere to park your car and or trailer and you'll see the factors you can control get severely limited. Snapper is on the right course ... the more science you have under your hat the less luck you have to have under your back pockets.

[Reel Class]

Great thread :)

My opinion in regards to fluking whether it's shorebound or boat-bound is pretty simplistic, and also please also remember we go whenever we can as a charter boat so as long as we can go due to conditions, weather, etc.

We basically have fluke in our waters from April through November. We've caught them with surface temps as low as the mid to upper 40's, and as warm as the mid to upper 70's, if not warmer. With that said, bottom temps vary a lot less than surface temps, but they do warm and cool as the seasons progress. During the summer, the bottom temps outside and on the inside (where there is normal tidal flow) typically stay relatively stable, as there are usually no dramatic peaks or valleys of bottom temps. Also, remember the surface temp and bottom temp are RARELY the same unless you are in extremely shallow water with little tidal movement:) Certain currents cool the bottom significantly, like a hard south current - and when that current kicks in, especially after a long sustained southerly blow, the fish tend to shut off. Not always, but they TEND to shut off. This effects fishing inside and on the outside - there is no question about it.

Here comes the simple part: Fluke are predators, they live on the bottom. They need something to keep them in a spot, namely baitfish or things they want to eat. If there is no bait, and there is nothing for them to eat, they will not be in a particular spot. The migration, or lack thereof of baitfish has a lot to do with fluke and where they congregate, and therefore where they're going to be caught. I've been fishing the Manasquan river for over 30 years - if there are certain baitfish present, the fluke will be there (meaning where they are supposed to be). Spearing, peanut bunker, baby winter flounder, snapper blues, finger mullet, spot, etc. are the main forage, and if we have a presence of them while the fluke are in town, you will catch them )as long as the other factor that I'm going to mention below is present). In the ocean, along the beach, the baitfish may be different, as our fluke feed on sandeels, squid, mullet (when they are outside), and other finger-species that live on the rocks and wrecks, and again, if they are present, they will be where they are supposed to.

Do water temps have anything to do with migrations of baitfish? Sure they do, but migrations are cyclical and there are some years where we have baitfish A in mass #'s, but baitfish B is nowhere to be found. You have to adjust accordingly as a fluke fishermen to what's going on - that means fish different spots and don't fish spot A every year on the same date because you did well on that spot on September 2, 1989. :D

IMO the only other mitigating factor to all of this stuff with fluke fishing is the presence of current or tide. We've been out many days where we've had no current, we're catching, and we see a tideline come through or the current kick in and the fish shut off. The bottom temperature may change a degree or two, but that sudden change in bottom conditions makes the fluke hunker down in different places, makes the baitfish do the same, and in turn with those things going on, the bite shuts off. Yes, certain currents will put a drop in temp, or will really dirty up the water, but those changes in the movement of the water can truly shut down a fluke bite. Is temperature connected to this? Of course, but that simple presence of too much current (or even too little) can kill a bite.

In bays/rivers - the same theory applies. In the Manasquan river, fishing around the top of the tide has always been more productive (IMO) then other tides - and fishing around or through moon tides is never optimal (as the current picks up significantly near the new or full moon).

I hope this helps and leads to more good conversation ;)

[Bill T]

Hi Allen ,Great post as always. Bill T.

[snapperbluefish101]

Great thread :)

My opinion in regards to fluking whether it's shorebound or boat-bound is pretty simplistic, and also please also remember we go whenever we can as a charter boat so as long as we can go due to conditions, weather, etc.

We basically have fluke in our waters from April through November. We've caught them with surface temps as low as the mid to upper 40's, and as warm as the mid to upper 70's, if not warmer. With that said, bottom temps vary a lot less than surface temps, but they do warm and cool as the seasons progress. During the summer, the bottom temps outside and on the inside (where there is normal tidal flow) typically stay relatively stable, as there are usually no dramatic peaks or valleys of bottom temps. Also, remember the surface temp and bottom temp are RARELY the same unless you are in extremely shallow water with little tidal movement:) Certain currents cool the bottom significantly, like a hard south current - and when that current kicks in, especially after a long sustained southerly blow, the fish tend to shut off. Not always, but they TEND to shut off. This effects fishing inside and on the outside - there is no question about it.

Here comes the simple part: Fluke are predators, they live on the bottom. They need something to keep them in a spot, namely baitfish or things they want to eat. If there is no bait, and there is nothing for them to eat, they will not be in a particular spot. The migration, or lack thereof of baitfish has a lot to do with fluke and where they congregate, and therefore where they're going to be caught. I've been fishing the Manasquan river for over 30 years - if there are certain baitfish present, the fluke will be there (meaning where they are supposed to be). Spearing, peanut bunker, baby winter flounder, snapper blues, finger mullet, spot, etc. are the main forage, and if we have a presence of them while the fluke are in town, you will catch them )as long as the other factor that I'm going to mention below is present). In the ocean, along the beach, the baitfish may be different, as our fluke feed on sandeels, squid, mullet (when they are outside), and other finger-species that live on the rocks and wrecks, and again, if they are present, they will be where they are supposed to.

Do water temps have anything to do with migrations of baitfish? Sure they do, but migrations are cyclical and there are some years where we have baitfish A in mass #'s, but baitfish B is nowhere to be found. You have to adjust accordingly as a fluke fishermen to what's going on - that means fish different spots and don't fish spot A every year on the same date because you did well on that spot on September 2, 1989. :D

IMO the only other mitigating factor to all of this stuff with fluke fishing is the presence of current or tide. We've been out many days where we've had no current, we're catching, and we see a tideline come through or the current kick in and the fish shut off. The bottom temperature may change a degree or two, but that sudden change in bottom conditions makes the fluke hunker down in different places, makes the baitfish do the same, and in turn with those things going on, the bite shuts off. Yes, certain currents will put a drop in temp, or will really dirty up the water, but those changes in the movement of the water can truly shut down a fluke bite. Is temperature connected to this? Of course, but that simple presence of too much current (or even too little) can kill a bite.

In bays/rivers - the same theory applies. In the Manasquan river, fishing around the top of the tide has always been more productive (IMO) then other tides - and fishing around or through moon tides is never optimal (as the current picks up significantly near the new or full moon).

I hope this helps and leads to more good conversation ;)

Capt Allen, good response. I have a quick question before my official reply, does your fish finder read the bottom temperatures? I have been always wondering if they have that ability/function.

Thanks!
Ben

[Reel Class]

No.

Wanna know how I judge bottom temp?

Cold sinker/bucktail OR fish = cold bottom temp.

Warm sinker/bucktail OR fish = warm bottom temp.

LOL :D

Also, look at the strip baits. If they're dirty and covered in that brown goo and little sprinkles of brownish stuff, you know the bottom is really roiled up b/c of the current or a swell.

[snapperbluefish101]

Okay, if one wants to figure out bottom temps relative this is what they need to do.

I think one has to go out for a day with a water thermometer and just drop it to the bottom. You either do short drifts at the area when recording your observations, or anchor if the fishing area you choose has no real varying depths. 6 drops/recordings per hour. SlAck,hour 2,3,4,5, high tide.

It seems kind off dumb to do with a thermometer, but I am sure they are some that are strong enough to take the water pressure if around a channel or in deep water.

Sound good?

Ben

[snapperbluefish101]

Allen, you are right on with current. They only thing I can add to that is this.

On those day of hard SE wind and a hard tidal current, my game plan would be this. I would hit some deep, deep water structure and fish it directly, do not fish edges of th pieces or drop offs. Fish right on top of it in the deeper areas of the spot, not the shallow areas. Current is diverged at any edge of a structure whether sand, rock, piece of coral, wreck, train car, etc. I would not fish directly in a channel either, even if there is a whole area of rocks there,like I believe their is at the Sandy Hook Channel and Ambrose (Need Confirmation). The problem with those Channels is I believe they are a little too shallow,generally.

Option 2. Fish the inside of the Manisquan and Shark Rivers. Check the water temperature and, unlike parts of Raritan Bay and certain areas just inside of Sandy Hook like Flynn's Knoll, there are a lot of buildings and large areas of matter blocking that Hard SE. These are great areas, a few days before and after the full moon, as the compressed water from the inlet channel will br pushed around the edges and back parts of those river make good conditions. A lot of the water in these areas has some good edges to fish on, and also has a lot of spots with a large area to fish around (Gambler and Norma K Boat docks, the boat docks and part of the Man. River by Treasure Island, and the Back Bay of the Shark River by the Belmar Marina and the Tennis Courts, where the depth is relatively the same and pretty shallow, 8-20 ft usually and you have just a bit of wind and a slower tide to give you a nice drift

Not bad?

Ben

[Reel Class]

The only part of the Manasquan river proper that I know that's 20' is in the mouth of the canal lol.

But yeah those ideas are good. You still have to go where the fish and bait are.

Remember that "SE" wind you know is a true south - the SOUTHWEST is what comes up the beach (like what we had Saturday). That "SE" is what truly cools the water from upwelling as it is, by its bearing, a SOUTH wind.

[action]

No.

Wanna know how I judge bottom temp?

Cold sinker/bucktail OR fish = cold bottom temp.

Warm sinker/bucktail OR fish = warm bottom temp.

LOL :D

Also, look at the strip baits. If they're dirty and covered in that brown goo and little sprinkles of brownish stuff, you know the bottom is really roiled up b/c of the current or a swell.
you hit the nail on the head yea baby

[snapperbluefish101]

The only part of the Manasquan river proper that I know that's 20' is in the mouth of the canal lol.

But yeah those ideas are good. You still have to go where the fish and bait are.

Remember that "SE" wind you know is a true south - the SOUTHWEST is what comes up the beach (like what we had Saturday). That "SE" is what truly cools the water from upwelling as it is, by its bearing, a SOUTH wind.

Allen are you saying that people nick name that SE blow " the south wind".

[Reel Class]

Ben we all confuse SE with S, it has to do with the angle of our coast line.

The SW basically blows up the beach, a true south "looks like" it's coming from the SE as it is coming from offshore.

A true SE is what we had during Sandy, basically the same affects as an East wind.

[snapperbluefish101]

Ben we all confuse SE with S, it has to do with the angle of our coast line.

The SW basically blows up the beach, a true south "looks like" it's coming from the SE as it is coming from offshore.

A true SE is what we had during Sandy, basically the same affects as an East wind.

Ah, I figured that.. We certainly have an angled coastline. Well, now I wonder if NOAA gets our SE wind forecast technically wrong? Probably not, but it might be true. It doesn't matter though if they are wrong, because they are actually right :) .

Ben

[jmurr711]

Ah, I figured that.. We certainly have an angled coastline. Well, now I wonder if NOAA gets our SE wind forecast technically wrong? Probably not, but it might be true. It doesn't matter though if they are wrong, because they are actually right :) .

Ben

not all of us was allowed to take chemistry kid some of us had to take shapes 101 as seniors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[snapperbluefish101]

not all of us was allowed to take chemistry kid some of us had to take shapes 101 as seniors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Well Joey, seriously we do not necessarily need a school education to push ourselves to learn. Especially since we love something like fishing, one does not need to be forced to learn something that one likes. A ton of basic and also complicated info and facts can be found online. I wish more people did this. Like using the Steven's page or an online university research paper.

It's not hard and one can learn a lot.

SNAPPERHEAD

[jmurr711]

Well Joey, seriously we do not necessarily need a school education to push ourselves to learn. Especially since we love something like fishing, one does not need to be forced to learn something that one likes. A ton of basic and also complicated info and facts can be found online. I wish more people did this. Like using the Steven's page or an online university research paper.

It's not hard and one can learn a lot.

SNAPPERHEAD

kids and your technology! :p

[Joey Dah Fish]

Very good info here. My opinions are the same as Shrimpman!!! If my wife says I can go I go!!!! Screw the water temps try your best with the conditions you are given. I wish I could choose what day what time how long I can spend out there. In coming out going, north wind, west wind. You gotta fish when you can and follow your nose. If your a good fisherman you will do ok.

[GDubya07]

Good for you Snapper that you can pick and choose you days accordingly and this is a great thread for information of how and why also .

Reality - I can only fish weekends and the 3 things that stop me are the 3 W's

Wife
Wind
Work

Screw everything else I can only get out when I can get out .

BTW - dont know what the water temperature was Monday got a last minute call and we had an 8 man limit in 4 hours of sick drop and reel-fishing on the Fish Monger the other day - first bite I experianced like this all year - You could of dropped a piece of bread and they would have killed it. Why was it so good . I dont think it was the temperature so much but all I know is the fish were gorging on anchovies adn the bait and fluke were stacked and getting ready to fatten up and move off shore for the winter.

If I worried about water temp. / wind / day / night - yadda yadda yadda I would never fish and thta would make the wife happy - :cool:

Good luck and Fish-On

GDubs-:cool:

[snapperbluefish101]

kids and your technology! :p

Haha, well do not bash me too much!:D

Well I hope we can do some offshore Seabassing this Winter on a Head Boat with Leif and the boy (and others).

Ben

[Leif]

Ben,
Interesting stuff here...The more successful fisherman do tend to have a knack at observing, analyzing conditions and adapting that data to the situation at hand. Water temperature is an important factor if not the most important one when it comes to fishing.

It is good that you are thinking this way and honing your skills but don't loose sight of just having fun and enjoying being out for the day by yourself or with friends. Over analysis can ruin a day out or even prevent it. Just when you think you have it all figured out, you get throw a curve ball.

Sometimes ignorance IS bliss and not knowing or think you know makes the experience that much better sometimes.

Keep up the good work and enjoy!

Leif

[jmurr711]

Haha, well do not bash me too much!:D

Well I hope we can do some offshore Seabassing this Winter on a Head Boat with Leif and the boy (and others).

Ben

sounds good to me kid! now go beat up something with fins!