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Angler Paul
02-21-2013, 01:23 PM
Sea Bass and Fluke Regulations Update
By Paul Haertel 2nd VP JCAA

Sea Bass – As we go to press we received a little bit of good news regarding sea bass. On 2/14/13 the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC) voted to accept the recommendation of their Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC) to increase the Allowable Biological Catch (ABC) to 5.5 million pounds. This is an increase of 1 million pounds from what was initially approved. The ABC will be split with 51% going to the recreational sector and 49% to the commercial sector. However, we are still going to end up with more stringent regulations than last year as the increase will not cover the overage that occurred in the recreational sector last year. Still, regulations are expected to be much better than the draconian measures that the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) was set to consider at their upcoming meeting on 2/21/13. The various proposals included reductions for New Jersey that ranged from approximately 44-53%. At their upcoming meeting, the ASMFC will discuss various state by state and regional options but with the increase in the harvest limit the reductions will no longer be as severe. Once one of the options is approved it will be up to the individual states or regions to develop regulations that comply with that option. The New Jersey representatives to the ASMFC will work closely with the New Jersey Bureau of Marine Fisheries (NJBMF) in attempting to have the best possible options and regulations approved for our state. On 2/26/13, the NJBMF will hold an advisors meeting before the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council (NJMFC) is expected to finalize our regulations at their March 7th meeting.

UPDATE – 2/21/13
I listened in on the sea bass portion of ASMFC webinar today. The commission voted for option 4 of Addendum XXIII which is for Ad Hoc Regional Measures. They also approved the 1 million pound increase that the MAMFC previously approved. Our state will now be in the region with the states to our north. This will result in New Jersey and the other northern states having to develop regulations intended to reduce their catch by about 32-34%. The exact reduction percentage will be calculated within the next few days after which the States will have to come up with proposals that meet the mandated reduction. This may take time and therefore it is unknown if our State will have any proposed regulations approved by the ASMFC in time for the advisors meeting. The size limit is expected to remain at 12 ½” but the bag limit may be reduced. Our season will be shortened significantly and I anticipate that we will have a lengthy mid-season closure. Though that is no good, it would likely allow sea bass season to be open after the fluke season closes. At least that would give inshore fishermen something to fish for as not many stripers will have arrived and the limit on blackfish at that time of the year will probably be only one.

Fluke – New Jersey has been forced to take approximately a 15% reduction from the recreational
quota it had last year. This is due to a cut in the overall coastwide quota and the fact that New
Jersey slightly exceeded its quota last year. This may very well renew the battle that we had last year when
commercial representatives on the NJMFC overruled the standing motion recommended by the advisors
and the council’s recreational representatives. That resulted in a shorter season with a 17 ½” size limit and a
5 fish bag limit rather than a longer season with an 18” size limit and 8 fish bag limit that the vast majority
of JCAA member clubs favored. The NJBMF has recently developed a number of preliminary options for
this year including those with varying seasons and size limits. However, all have the same 5 fish bag limit
that we had last year. Unfortunately, at this time no options are being considered to return the bag limit to 8
fish as there is insufficient data to increase the bag limit when increasing the size limit. The JCAA pointed
out last year that it was not a good idea to give up a portion of the bag limit unless it is absolutely necessary.
While a 5 fish bag limit is really not all that bad, most fishermen would not want to reduce it any further.
This could become a problem if we exceed our quota this year. Therefore, this year’s battle will be between
those preferring a shorter season with a size limit of 17 ½” and those who prefer a longer season with an 18”
size limit. Last year, even with the 17 ½” size limit, we had a season that lasted 147 days. This year if we
keep the size limit at 17 ½” we will be forced to reduce the season to 117-122 days. On the other hand if
we raise the size limit to 18” we will probably be able to have a season ranging from 131-149 days. Below
are some of the preliminary options being considered. Some of these may be modified or deleted and others
will be discussed as well at the advisors meeting on 2/26/13. Ultimately though, only a few options will be
chosen for the public to have input on at the NJMFC meeting on March 7th. The meeting will begin at 4:00
PM and is will take place at the Galloway Township Library on Jimmie Leeds Rd. in Absecon. The
regulations will be set immediately after the public comment portion of the meeting. Therefore, those
interested are encouraged to attend and give their opinions.

The 2012 season had a 5 fish bag limit at 17 ½” and ran from 5/5 – 9/28 for a total of 147 days.
Below are just a few of the preliminary proposals being considered for this year. All have a 5 fish bag limit.

17 ½” with a season from 5/11 – 9/4 for a total of 117 days
17 ½” with a season from 5/18 – 9/16 for a total of 122 days
17 ½” with a season from 5/24 – 9/22 for a total of 122 days
18” with a season from 5/25 – 10/2 for a total of 131 days
18” with a season from 5/2 – 9/12 for a total of 135 day
18” with a season from 5/4 – 9/29 for a total of 149 days

Jay
02-21-2013, 01:37 PM
As usual, thank you for the information.

Inishmore3
02-21-2013, 02:22 PM
I'd like to read what Tony Bogan thinks of the sea bass situation and what might a season look like in 2013,

As for fluke I would pick the last one. Most days. Don't give up a half an inch for a shorter season. Go for the longest season you can get,

Garone Custom Rods
02-21-2013, 03:01 PM
I'd like to read what Tony Bogan thinks of the sea bass situation and what might a season look like in 2013,

As for fluke I would pick the last one. Most days. Don't give up a half an inch for a shorter season. Go for the longest season you can get,

Agreed!

Knot Guilty
02-21-2013, 03:48 PM
Paul, thanks for the info. Wasn't there an 18 1/2" - 5 fish limit with a longer season than the above options as a proposal ? Is that one still on the table ?

broken bobber
02-21-2013, 04:25 PM
yep..... keep giving away days .... they'll never learn....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdBJEyaOTEw

Jay
02-21-2013, 04:27 PM
yep..... keep giving away days .... they'll never learn....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdBJEyaOTEw

I'll definitely take this option:

18” with a season from 5/4 – 9/29 for a total of 149 days

Angler Paul
02-21-2013, 05:33 PM
Yes, there are other options being considered including ones with an 18 1/2" size limit and ones with a split size limit. However, at this point they are all preliminary as I had stated. Also I just received some additional info. that I added to my initial post. However, so you don't have to read through it all again here it is:
UPDATE – 2/21/13
Though I did not listen in on the fluke portion of the ASMFC meeting I have been told that there is a chance that New Jersey may not have to reduce by 15%. However, this will be dependant on what other states do. The way I understand it, is that if their regulations are conservative enough to ensure that their quotas are not likely to be exceeded then New Jersey might not have to reduce by 15%. There is even a possibility that we could have the same regulations as last year. However, all this will take time so it is unlikely that we will know for sure by the advisors meeting or even the NJMFC meeting.

SaltLife1980
02-21-2013, 05:44 PM
i like this one.. Long season

18” with a season from 5/4 – 9/29 for a total of 149 days

JBird
02-21-2013, 08:09 PM
A slot fish or 2 would be nice, 2 @ 17 and 3 @ 18. My 2 cents.

TomKaye
02-21-2013, 09:34 PM
A slot fish or 2 would be nice, 2 @ 17 and 3 @ 18. My 2 cents.
That's an interesting idea and a good one.
Regrettably, I don't think that option is on the table.
You give some bureaucrats one more proposal to debate and they'll never
be able to make a decision.
I prefer the 149 day season with 5 at 18".

Tight lines all,
Tom K.

GetANet
02-21-2013, 10:56 PM
Been saying that for years already!!!!!!would a be good thing i think for everyone give us a resonably sized smaller fish or two and then make the rest resonably larger. I'm not saying i'm the best or the worst fluke fisherman but the last few years been pretty tough catching a few keepers let alone a limit. Got to the point i'm so disgusted and the expense that i really don't fluke much anymore. Always seems like NO MATTER the size limit they're Always a INCH or HALF INCH SHORT!!! WHERE ARE ALL THESE FISH AT THE END OF THE SEASON CAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE SHOWING UP FOR ME???? Also would possibly helped keep some more PB's around as well as the smaller boat rentals and helped some people keep their livelyhoods....JMO

cool hand fluke
02-22-2013, 04:58 AM
Thank you Paul for the information

Al

striper63
02-22-2013, 07:53 AM
Been saying that for years already!!!!!!would a be good thing i think for everyone give us a resonably sized smaller fish or two and then make the rest resonably larger. I'm not saying i'm the best or the worst fluke fisherman but the last few years been pretty tough catching a few keepers let alone a limit. Got to the point i'm so disgusted and the expense that i really don't fluke much anymore. Always seems like NO MATTER the size limit they're Always a INCH or HALF INCH SHORT!!! WHERE ARE ALL THESE FISH AT THE END OF THE SEASON CAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE SHOWING UP FOR ME???? Also would possibly helped keep some more PB's around as well as the smaller boat rentals and helped some people keep their livelyhoods....JMO

I AGREE!:o

I also think any of those fluke proposals would be OK, compared to NY

PeteyHD
02-22-2013, 09:26 AM
Definitely beats the NY limits indeed!

GDubya07
02-22-2013, 12:22 PM
Thank you for the Information and updates

Would be a great time to talk a slot fish - proven it works (Strypers) would reduce tonage -you get to keep a few fish for the table - Makes too much sense

Make the season - let me know when it opens and closes and how many fish???

I will take the rest from there -

GDubs-:cool:

BIGARIEL
02-22-2013, 08:17 PM
Longer Season Is Best Cant Wait :d

Solemate
02-22-2013, 09:40 PM
Slot fish. Slot fish. Slot fish. Slot fish. Slot fish. Slot fish. Did I say slot fish. I have not fished seriously for fluke in 3years. If a slot fish is added it will increase the enthusiasum for fluke fishing. Too bad it will not happen yet but the momentum is begining.

frugalfisherman
02-23-2013, 08:27 AM
Just from my personal observation from fluking on the J2 3 days a week during the summer. 2011 with an 18 inch limit the fishing was excellent. A lot of fish were caught even by the rental rods. They lowered the size limit to 17 1/2 and extended the season for 2012. Although the fishing was good I don't believe nearly as many fish were caught with the most going to regulars fishing hard and the rentals struggling to get a keeper. They say we exceded our limit? Granted this is just one boat but from what I read on the board during the summer this is not an isolated observation. Where are they coming up with their numbers? Pulling them out of a hat?

Angler Paul
02-23-2013, 08:01 PM
Here is a link that explains how they come up with their numbers. We all know they are flawed but they are used as though they were accurate.

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/recreational/overview/overview.html

SaltLife1980
02-24-2013, 12:55 AM
their way of getting the numbers is BS.. they really have no Idea how many fish were taken..

NoWorries
02-24-2013, 03:28 PM
Here is a link that explains how they come up with their numbers. We all know they are flawed but they are used as though they were accurate.

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/recreational/overview/overview.html Like it or not this is the way it's done . Lots of math and averages etc. Right now we're at 5 fluke no matter what so we can't afford to "over fish" the quota. From what I've seen the longest season is dangerous to that end. So I believe with basically a status quo season we'll over fish again and a tighter quota for the next season will result.

joshpio
03-05-2013, 05:09 PM
Hearing a lot about the fluke options, but nothing about seabass. Wny ides on what dates we will have. Chartered a seabass trip for end of July and hoping the season will be open then.