Spooling Braid ?

[TAB95]

Two years ago I stopped backing braid with mono when I spooled braid on a reel, I just put some athletic tape on the spool and never had a problem. It was recently suggested to me not to do this but instead just make an overhand knot and lay the tag end along the spool and put down the first layer tightly side by side. Once the first layer is laid down that will provide the grip to prevent slipping. Does anyone spool in this way?, and why is tape bad for the spool? I was told it traps moisture and causes pitting but I don't see how.
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[Ryan W]

I still back with mono- very rarely do I need the entire reel filled with braid anyway, for me it's cheaper to back with the mono anyways. Not many reels require the full thing to be filled with braid anyways- the only one I have was sold to me that way, and I can honestly never see myself needing 600 yds of 65 lb power pro anyways.

[Chico]

When using the color coded braid for jigging tuna, just HOW MUCH braid do you guys usually spool onto your reels? I jig off partyboats so there is no chasing the fish down.
When tile fishing I make sure I have 500 yards of braid, on my 300 yard reels I have been into the backing just to get the sinker on the bottom!!

[Sea Bear]

The OP is on the money. After tying to the arbor of the spool lay the tag end across the width of the spool and reel tightly (I use ~10lbs of pressure on my tuna reels) over the tag end. It won't slip. Period. Giant MYTH busted. :)

[shrimpman steve]

I have seen people not use a backing, I have witnessed the braid turning on the spool due to this. another trick is to use a rubberband around the spool before you put the braid on.

[Chico]

I only had it spin on the spool once, years ago when I used the original "spiderwire". That was not a true braid?? More like a fused line?

[mickrazz]

The OP is on the money. After tying to the arbor of the spool lay the tag end across the width of the spool and reel tightly (I use ~10lbs of pressure on my tuna reels) over the tag end. It won't slip. Period. Giant MYTH busted. :)
Baloney..I had my braid spin on the spool last week and I spooled it with the tag end across the spool to lock the wraps down. I normally back it with mono till I read that you don't need to. For me, the myth still lives.

[Sea Bear]

Baloney..I had my braid spin on the spool last week and I spooled it with the tag end across the spool to lock the wraps down. I normally back it with mono till I read that you don't need to. For me, the myth still lives.

Tuna fisherman have been tying braid straight to the spool for quite a while now and never experience any issues. I've personally fished up to 35lbs of drag and never had the line slip. As I said, you have to use a lot of tension, maybe that was the problem? :confused:

[Chico]

I had my grandson send this in to the guys from "Myth Busters"! Maybe they will do a show on this!! I figure, why take the chance? I just use enough mono to cover the spool completely, I still have more braid on my reel than I should ever need. Although if you use an Avet SX, Mxl, or another similar reel, you will need all the braid you can spool.

[mickrazz]

Tuna fisherman have been tying braid straight to the spool for quite a while now and never experience any issues. I've personally fished up to 35lbs of drag and never had the line slip. As I said, you have to use a lot of tension, maybe that was the problem? :confused:
I never measured how much tension I use but its possible I guess. I spool up from a spare reel and use the drag on that reel to create my tension. It might be due to the spool width also. Its a saltiga 15 and its very narrow. there might not be enough width to lock it in and the spool also as tall as a 30T which doesn't help matters. And come to think of it, it only happened when it got wet.

[skipper.ll]

i learned my lesson of not backing the first w/mono or tape lost a good size tuna and a spool of braid

[Sea Bear]

This is straight from the non-sponsor in Harrington Park, NJ website. This man has probably spooled more reels for more people than all of us combined. He ties straight to the spool. I've personally spooled reels as narrow as an Accurate 500N (only able to leave a very short tag end) and still had no issues whatsoever fishing 20+lbs of drag. My Jigging Master PE 8 (comparable to an Accurate 600N) has fished over 30lbs of drag with no problems and all I did was follow below, except I used a uni knot.



Myth Busting: The truth about line slipping on the spool.

Many mistakenly believe that Spectra® fishing line will slip on the spool unless you take draconian measures to prevent it. Experience has clearly shown that putting on several layers of mono, dacron or duct tape is totally unnecessary. This practice is not recommended to solve a problem that does not even exist. Braided line grips the spool much like tread on a tire grips the road better than a smooth one with an infinitely small contact area.

Before you start spooling a reel, pass the line around the arbor twice and form a good knot such as the Berkley Trilene knot. Cinch it tightly on one side of the spool leaving a long tag end to be laid across the arbor. Spool the first full layer of Spectra® onto the spool in a close side-by-side fashion under tension of 6-8 pounds over the tag end. If this is done, the line will not slip! No exceptions have been reported but try pulling on it at this point if you have any doubts. When convinced, you might tell a friend that it works.

Continue filling the spool under tension without any exaggerated crisscrossing. Tension about 1/2 the drag pressure expected may be appropriate when spooling heavy- duty line. Exaggerated crisscrossing creates open space in the spool which may invite the subsequent layer to dig in. In any case, crisscrossing is a one-time-event because you would not attempt exaggerated crisscrossing when fighting a fish because to do so would give the fish the opportunity to shake the hook. Actually, even if you think you are laying the line tightly under tension in a close side-by-side fashion, it is likely that you can’t see that you are crossing several wraps every turn because the line is so small diameter.

Some believe that Spectra® should be spooled on wet. This is not needed, but if it makes you happy, OK. The main concern with wet spooling is that often insufficient tension is applied. Fresh water causes no problems, but I would not use sea water which has about 3.5% salt (about 1/3 pound per gallon). Salt causes spool erosion. You would be saturating the line with salt all the way down to the bottom of the spool to start trouble later."

[Fin Reaper]

Bought a reel awhile back and it came spooled...I didn't like the braid they put on it so I stripped it off to re spool and painted directly on the spool was
a 1/2" wide band of something that looked like rubber cement but obviously tougher...really cool stuff but neither the reel mfg or the retailer acted like they knew what the stuff was :confused:

[Ryan W]

Yeah, I had the same stuff on one of the spools of a reel I bought from someone on here- was kinda yellow and looked like what you described. I didn't ask him about it (came with line on, but I wanted heavier). Guy at the tackle store spooled on the braid directly like it was mono. Should I be worried about slipping?

[kurtisb]

The first time I used braid was awhile ago. I put 8 lb Power Pro without backing on my fresh water trout set up, Stradic 100. It was fantastic that entire year. Opening day the next year, when I hooked my first trout, I couldn't reel the fish in, the entire full spool of line spun freely on the arbor. I had to pull the fish in by hand and switch to my spare spool filled with 2 lb mono.
I'll never spool braid directly on the arbor again.

[Fin Reaper]

Yeah, I had the same stuff on one of the spools of a reel I bought from someone on here- was kinda yellow and looked like what you described. I didn't ask him about it (came with line on, but I wanted heavier). Guy at the tackle store spooled on the braid directly like it was mono. Should I be worried about slipping?


I'd say no...I have respooled the reel a couple times and the stuff is still working. wish I knew what is was and where to get it. I wonder if brushing on a very thin film of silicone calk would do the same thing?

[tropics]

Bought a reel awhile back and it came spooled...I didn't like the braid they put on it so I stripped it off to re spool and painted directly on the spool was
a 1/2" wide band of something that looked like rubber cement but obviously tougher...really cool stuff but neither the reel mfg or the retailer acted like they knew what the stuff was :confused:

That material used may be the stuff, that is used to make tool handles non slip. Same dip every one uses on their sinkers. I would recommend using that on metal spools only.

[Ryan W]

Seemed fine to me- previous spooling had been right on as well- I think I should be in good shape. Guy who sold it to me knows what he's doing (to put it mildly :)).

[Treebeard63]

Having run linewinders and installing line for customers since the dawn of braid, I can tell you that I have seen braid slipping on spools hundreds of times.. It is NO myth.. Maybe some installation trick like pinning the tag, will avoid it, but over time, and under certain fishing conditions, even perfectly spooled line can become loose on the spool and start to slip... Tape can also rot/lose its stick after repeated wettings, as well as promote corrosion.. but a few turns of mono is always a sure thing.. Very few applications require several hundred yards of braid, but even if you need a full spool of it, a few turns of mono will take hardly any space.. Having seen it many times on the net, I'm pretty sure the above myth busting quote was written by Jerry Brown.. who coincidentally makes money on every extra yard of his line you jam on..and i suspect may apply more toward offshore applications, which is his largest niche.. I do disagree with his idea that braid's texture is what promotes grip... maybe on the heavier, coarser weaves, but many brands are very smooth or coated.. ..it is mono's elasticity that makes it grip.. like wrapping a rubber band around your finger.. something braid totally lacks..
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[mickrazz]

Having run linewinders and installing line for customers since the dawn of braid, I can tell you that I have seen braid slipping on spools hundreds of times.. It is NO myth.. Maybe some installation trick like pinning the tag, will avoid it, but over time, and under certain fishing conditions, even perfectly spooled line can become loose on the spool and start to slip... Tape can also rot/lose its stick after repeated wettings, as well as promote corrosion.. but a few turns of mono is always a sure thing.. Very few applications require several hundred yards of braid, but even if you need a full spool of it, a few turns of mono will take hardly any space.. Having seen it many times on the net, I'm pretty sure the above myth busting quote was written by Jerry Brown.. who coincidentally makes money on every extra yard of his line you jam on..and i suspect may apply more toward offshore applications, which is his largest niche.. I do disagree with his idea that braid's texture is what promotes grip... maybe on the heavier, coarser weaves, but many brands are very smooth or coated.. ..it is mono's elasticity that makes it grip.. like wrapping a rubber band around your finger.. something braid totally lacks..
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I knew I liked you for a reason:) Thats exactly where that myth buster tip came from.

[Treebeard63]

I knew I liked you for a reason:) Thats exactly where that myth buster tip came from.

Thanks Mick.. but I thought you liked me for my dashing good looks! :eek: :D

[mickrazz]

Trying to keep that a secret Mark...don't want people thinkin funny things.
When we gonna fish? Might have a cod trip workin in Montauk in a week or so if your up to it.

[Treebeard63]

Trying to keep that a secret Mark...don't want people thinkin funny things.
When we gonna fish? Might have a cod trip workin in Montauk in a week or so if your up to it.
I hear ya Mick ...most of 2010 was pretty bleak on the fishing front for me.. I could use a trip.. shoot me the details if you have a spot, I'd love to hook up wit ya !

[lunkertaker]

I still back with mono- very rarely do I need the entire reel filled with braid anyway, for me it's cheaper to back with the mono anyways. Not many reels require the full thing to be filled with braid anyways- the only one I have was sold to me that way, and I can honestly never see myself needing 600 yds of 65 lb power pro anyways.


For my "Bottom" fishing reels, I agree with Ryan

Since most reels will not fill the spool the braid (unless you want = $), I start with mono and finish with braid. A couple hundred yards of braid is all you need for most applications for in shore fishing. Off shore maybe a little more.

[Ryan W]

My tog reels and others have like 150 yds- that's it. I don't need more than that for my reeling applications. My saltist has like 500 yds spooled straight on, but it came like that when i bought it used. What on earth I will do with all that braid, I have no idea :). Tiles maybe?

[Chico]

My tog reels and others have like 150 yds- that's it. I don't need more than that for my reeling applications. My saltist has like 500 yds spooled straight on, but it came like that when i bought it used. What on earth I will do with all that braid, I have no idea :). Tiles maybe?
Put on a 20' windon leader for tilefish, jigging tuna , or use the loop to loop connection to add a 100' top shot for chunking tuna.