Hook and Line Permits

[msgold]

Captain George from the Angler gave me a call this morning, was fishing at the Bug Light and he came across three small boats filling their coolers with fluke. George was close enough to the boats to speak with the guys and they have special hook and line permits issued back in 1991. They are allowed 400 pounds of fish daily, and were able to start fishing on May 2nd. George was not a happy camper and said he would post about this on Sunday. His complaint was more about getting the permits they were to be issued last year. Also the fact the Bug Light where we all love to fish was getting cleaned out with fish 14 inches and up. This should cause a little shit, I am sure. Will wait to hear from Captain George on Sunday..

[Krueger]

WTF is that all about???????? Our government is crap!!:mad:

[GregW93]

They are called pin hooking permits. They fall under the commercial category and there are a total of 10 issued in this state. They are not doing anything illegal just making a living. They also fall under the 14" a fish size limit. Not much you can do about it.:( :(

[dboyd101]

just did a quick search or two on google and found this - sorry for the outbound link gerry -

http://alpha1.msrc.sunysb.edu/MRAC/pages/Bv11n2s03.html

check it out - stats from the year 2000

[Bird Chaser]

I am friends with one of these fishermen. I can tell you that he works very hard for his money. And I can also tell you that he is not getting rich anytime soon from his work. What he is doing is simply trying to make a living, and a modest living at best. He doesn't make the rules however he does abide by them. If you don't like what he is doing, that's your call, but he is not doing anything illegal. As far as the 400 lbs a day, they are lucky if they come in with 100 lbs.

I am just curious to know why the Angler was there fishing for Fluke right next to these guys?

I know this reply won't be popular with most of the people on this site, but I am just telling it like it is.

[GregW93]

Good Point Bird Chaser, I have a few friends that do it too. All are good people. I think it is human nature to get upset when someone can do something that you can't. Not much money to be made while doing this, I think its more of a grandfathered law. I have no problems with this type of fishing. It takes a lifetime to catch with a rod and reel what a dragger gets in one day!

[MartyS]

I am friends with one of these fishermen. I can tell you that he works very hard for his money. And I can also tell you that he is not getting rich anytime soon from his work. What he is doing is simply trying to make a living, and a modest living at best. He doesn't make the rules however he does abide by them. If you don't like what he is doing, that's your call, but he is not doing anything illegal. As far as the 400 lbs a day, they are lucky if they come in with 100 lbs.

I am just curious to know why the Angler was there fishing for Fluke right next to these guys?

I know this reply won't be popular with most of the people on this site, but I am just telling it like it is.
I don't doubt these fisherman work hard to make a living. My issue is that the fisheries are a limited resource, they are not owned by any government, and I think that everyone should have the opportunity to fish at the same time. I have a problem with certain people being given an advantage as is the case here. Again, nothing against those pinhookers personally, I understand that are acting within the law.

What is the problem with the Angler catching and releasing fluke next to your friends? Maybe party boat captains work hard for a living too.

[tautog]

They were fishing a charity catch and release charter for underprivileged kids. Fluke are the easiest thing for these young novices to catch. Some must have been confused when the saw other boats keeping them as I am sure their families could use a few fillets.

[Bird Chaser]

Marty I didn't say I had a problem with the Angler fishing for fluke. I said I was curious, because as we all know the season is not open yet.:rolleyes:

[codbuster]

amen

[Life's A Beach]

Everyone has to earn a living. It would be nice if the recreational fisherman wasn't always getting the short end of the stick though.

If the season is open within state waters for pin hookers, then it should be open for recreational fishermen also. and if said commercial fishermen are in state waters then they should have to abide by the same size limit as the recreational guys.

Is the permit for ONE MAN in ONE BOAT to catch 400# per day? THAT would be a good day, even keeping 14" fish. If it's per boat............3 or 4 guys pulling.........at the Bug Light, this time of year.........HOME FOR LUNCH















I'd LOVE to see an ACCURATE account of how many WINTER flounder are caught/harvested in 2010. With no one fishing for them recreationally........the numbers have to be 90% commercial.

[broken bobber]

Senseless post as ALL THE ACTIVITIES mentioned are totally legal.... It's not like no one knows of these permits... like they just fell out of the sky and landed on these boats where ever the are docked....

And ... if ya dont know now ya know.....;)

[msgold]

Senseless post as ALL THE ACTIVITIES mentioned are totally legal.... It's not like no one knows of these permits... like they just fell out of the sky and landed on these boats where ever the are docked....

And ... if ya dont know now ya know.....;)
I am not going to get into any crazy battles with you, but I could. Senseless Post to you, might not be for everyone else. I forgot you know everything "it's been a long time". As Lab said it would have been nice to start Fluke fishing May 2nd, we should all have the same start date. Just my opinion.

[El Pescador]

They should issue more of these permits its much better than scraping the bottom dry with trawlers and throwing back dead bycatch..

[broken bobber]

I am not going to get into any crazy battles with you, but I could. Senseless Post to you, might not be for everyone else. I forgot you know everything "it's been a long time". As Lab said it would have been nice to start Fluke fishing May 2nd, we should all have the same start date. Just my opinion.

But you could ? ...hahahahah.....No battles needed....you are crying over something that is totally legal.... And if Capt G didnt mention it to you ya would still be clueless over it.... But again as others stated, its legal and the few who have these permits are putting food on their families table like you, me and anyone else here that works and I DON'T begrudge that....

or maybe the first trip we dont get a fluke limit i will publicly blame these permit holders...how rediculous is that....

if ya dont like the rules...lobby to have them changed, but get there before 6pm ;)

[Bird Chaser]

LAB I will tell you what little I know about this.

#1 The permit is for the boat. I think you can have as many pullers as you want.

#2 Their season is often closed when the recreational season is open. That means they can't catch fluke while you can. They get shutdown when the draggers fill the quota because they are in the same pool.

They get a very small % of the commercial quota. The good thing is there is no slaughtering of bycatch like the draggers do because of the way they fish for em.They also do not destroy the bottom the way draggers do.

I am just telling you how it is. You don't have to like it, as we all feel that the regulations are unfair. I know your a concerned angler and I understand why you feel the way you do, but don't take it out on these guys. It's not their fault.

Gulp Queen I didn't hear you complaining when Jeff purchased his RSA permit and I would venture to say that a good number of people from this site would have been out fishing for fluke when the season was closed for those without RSA permits, had the state allowed Jeff to use his permit. But somehow this was ok with the majority of the people that wanted to catch fluke when they closed the season.

No personal attacks here. I'm just saying "Your barking up the wrong tree."

I know Capt George was trying to show these kids a good time today and his heart was in the right place. But I must say that I don't think gut hooking fish and releasing them was a good idea. I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about a few guys trying to make a legal living, and then say that you targeted a fish that is out of season, when you know some of those fish will die. BTW I'm all for showing kids a good time and I know that was his intention.

I dont post often and I will probably get crucified for this post. I am entitled to my opinion and I am not here to win a popularity contest. :eek:

Now I opened up a whole other can of worms. Let the personal attacks begin. I'm a big boy. I can take it.:confused:

[CaptTB]

Everyone has to earn a living. It would be nice if the recreational fisherman wasn't always getting the short end of the stick though.

If the season is open within state waters for pin hookers, then it should be open for recreational fishermen also. and if said commercial fishermen are in state waters then they should have to abide by the same size limit as the recreational guys.
Why? They are not recreational fishermen. The fish they catch do not come from the recreational quota. These are commercial hook and line fishermen. It has nothing to do with you, with recreational fish or recreational fishermen. They have their own quota (commercial) that they fish on, same as a potter, same as a dragger.

Should the draggers only be allowed to fish when you can? Most hook and line permits have a limit to the number of pullers, but that is irrelevant.

Whether there are 2 or 10, it is no different than how many people work on a dragger. The fish are not going home in your cooler, they are being sold like every other commercially caught fish. The boat has both a limit to how many people can fish and it has a trip limit, just like a dragger.

Why are we even talking about LEGAL commercial fluke fishing in this forum? Why even start a post about a legal form of commercial fishing that is less destructive to the environment and fish than any other form of commercial fishing and that has existed since the dawn of time. Commercial hook and line permits have existed for decades. They have a quota, we have a quota. They can fish when their quota is available. Their quota is broken up into 4 parts and 4 time periods. At any point the quota for a given period is caught, they are shut down and cannot begin fishing again till the next time period opens.

Why wasn't anyone pissing and moaning when the commercial boats were catching fluke in January and February?

[Capt. Lou]

Amen, Capt TB , I would much rather support hook & line pin hookers than a comercial boat that destroys bottom & who knows how many species of fish in its wake!! One thing for sure this pin hooker is not going over his limit by thousands of LBS, but if any good at all it does count against the commercial quota!
Unfortunately for us "THEY " are both legal!!

[Jigsmith]

Wow, so unneccesary. As was said it's perfectly legal. A little fact checking goes a long way before ranting on the internet...

[jigman90]

They are called pin hooking permits. They fall under the commercial category and there are a total of 10 issued in this state. They are not doing anything illegal just making a living. They also fall under the 14" a fish size limit. Not much you can do about it.:( :(
I say there is a lot we could do about it! post there pictures of the boats and we can get a fleet to do circles around them all day they won't catch any fish and we can say we were just crusing all day
our gov't at its finest!!:mad:

[Jigsmith]

I say there is a lot we could do about it! post there pictures of the boats and we can get a fleet to do circles around them all day they won't catch any fish and we can say we were just crusing all day
our gov't at its finest!!:mad:

Wow, if you're serious that's scary. Why don't you go do circles around the draggers instead?

[Life's A Beach]

Why? They are not recreational fishermen. The fish they catch do not come from the recreational quota. These are commercial hook and line fishermen. It has nothing to do with you, with recreational fish or recreational fishermen. They have their own quota (commercial) that they fish on, same as a potter, same as a dragger.

Should the draggers only be allowed to fish when you can? Most hook and line permits have a limit to the number of pullers, but that is irrelevant.

Whether there are 2 or 10, it is no different than how many people work on a dragger. The fish are not going home in your cooler, they are being sold like every other commercially caught fish. The boat has both a limit to how many people can fish and it has a trip limit, just like a dragger.

Why are we even talking about LEGAL commercial fluke fishing in this forum? Why even start a post about a legal form of commercial fishing that is less destructive to the environment and fish than any other form of commercial fishing and that has existed since the dawn of time. Commercial hook and line permits have existed for decades. They have a quota, we have a quota. They can fish when their quota is available. Their quota is broken up into 4 parts and 4 time periods. At any point the quota for a given period is caught, they are shut down and cannot begin fishing again till the next time period opens.

Why wasn't anyone pissing and moaning when the commercial boats were catching fluke in January and February?


A. I think that we KNOW the commercial guys have their own season. The reason I mentioned it is because OUR season starts too late and finishes too early. Just comparing when commercial is allowed to fish compared to recreational.
The reason I asked about HOW MANY pullers were allowed is because Bird Chaser said his friend doesn't get his 400# every day. I was curious so I asked a question. I didn't ask ANYTHING about draggers. I was curious about the pin hookers and directed MY QUESTIONS to that only.

B. If you're questioning WHY this post was started in the MAIN FORUM is members just click and type; without regard to where the post SHOULD be posted.
Nobody disagrees that pin hooking is better for the environment than draggers; but then again, the thread wasn't about draggers.
No one was complaining about commercial fluke fishing in January because they were too busy complaining about sea bass being closed. Then their focus was on what kind of fluke season we would have. They question it NOW is because it's a week before fluke season opens and they see 5-10 boats fishing at the Bug Light, keeping 14" fish.

I hope I didn't come across as condensending (sp) or antagonistic