New Flounder Regs!

[Got Stripes?]

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse I heard new rec regs are 2 @12'' for spring fluonder.

[laketrout]

Total BS. The commercial restriction would be enough to bring them to levels never seen before. Incredible.... Just another recreational fisherman's nightmare. Yeah, the recs have harvested sooo many winter flounder over the past 4 years. LOL. It never ends. It is just too much. I don't know about you, but I have already submitted applications for my rod and reels to be accepted into the national historic register.

[Chrisk]

Maybe the baitshops dinners icecream pallors ect don't bring in the tax dollars. Or our public servents don't have a clue.

[Life's A Beach]

omg

I mis-read the title as "Flounder Rigs" and was wondering why someone would need rigs to catch only 2 fish.

I guess a bushel of clams, a flat of worms and a dozen or so chum logs to catch a couple fish isn't cost efficient??

Another case of poor science. Hell, even I caught limits this year

[Detour66]

2 @ 12" that has to be a joke!

well there goes the early season tradition of winter flounder fishing down the tubes!

[tropics]

omg

I mis-read the title as "Flounder Rigs" and was wondering why someone would need rigs to catch only 2 fish.

I guess a bushel of clams, a flat of worms and a dozen or so chum logs to catch a couple fish isn't cost efficient??

Another case of poor science. Hell, even I caught limits this year

You'll need 30 peeps to make a decent catch, :eek:

[Reelron]

Hasn't this all been gone over months ago?

I remember a meeting in Tom River, very few people there to speak up, not that it would have done much good by then, but at leats it could have been one of those "stand up and be counted" things everyone is talking about now. Correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to ask) but there were maybe 25 people there.

Again, skip the meetings and piss & moan about it later. If we can't stay a step ahead we have to at least try to keep up, pay attention people.

[Salt]

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[Bates]

Hasn't this all been gone over months ago?

I remember a meeting in Tom River, very few people there to speak up, not that it would have done much good by then, but at leats it could have been one of those "stand up and be counted" things everyone is talking about now. Correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to ask) but there were maybe 25 people there.

Again, skip the meetings and piss & moan about it later. If we can't stay a step ahead we have to at least try to keep up, pay attention people.
I was going to say the same thing Ron, this is not news and we have been talking all summer about the closure of the flounder season, two fish per person is the same as closure for those who run charter boats and talking about what we will do until the stripers arrive. Guess everyone forgot while returning all those short fluke! I was at the meeting and the message was it was a done deal, no matter what the NJ reps voted they would be thrown into a larger group that would carry the two fish limit. Most of the people attending were commercials or party/ charter captains, just a few of us anglers.

[MartyS]

I've always railed against the illogical regulations put on recreational fishing, but I have to say, winter flounder is one species where it seems to make some sense. Clearly, the fishery was very weak this past spring. Contrast that with fluke and sea bass, which are very strong.

I'm no scientist, or an expert on fishing regulations, but I'm not going to automatically complain about restrictions on winter flounder fishing, provided that the obviously strong fisheries, like fluke, sea bass, stripers have less restrictions placed on them.

[fsl1]

I think winter flounder will now supplant bluefin tuna as the most expensive fish.
$55 fare (or gas in your own boat)
tackle, bait, maintenance, food, etc. for two fish

= around $700/lb. for the meat.

[Capt Sal]

i have gone to several meetings.raritan bay has a flounder run that has nothing to do with n.e.we depend on the early flounder charters to make a living!no flounder,no weakfish no money.little by little a species is taken away.do you think the blackfish that are biting now is great?i think it sucks because the season is in the middle of nov.i fish sucks.years ago we caught plenty of blackfish in september on shrewsbury rocks.sandy hook reef didn't exist!to make a living with a charter boat in this day and age with the stupid regs. is not easy.if they take away any stripers it is all over!!!!!half the area i fish is in n.y. they are so screwed it is a crying shame.what will n.y. have next year 2 fluke at 23in.?they can stick the 2 flounder where the don't shine!!!:(

[JonDevin]

Time to eat the dogs, birds and skates. I could see the reports now, at least for the first part of 2010.

EPIC bird action today as each angler caught at least 100 robins. 5,000 racks in total, filling 10, 50 gallon drums. The dogs ran a distant second at 250 and skates rounding out the catch at 200. However these good times won't last long as the fed is considering a mid-season shutdown on the sea robin harvest which they claim to be too pressured. It's estimated that the price of sea robin to exceed $14 per pound by the end of August. :eek:

[Young Salt]

Anyone know what the fines are for possesing too many winter floundeR?

[Duffman]

EPIC bird action today as each angler caught at least 100 robins. 5,000 racks in total, filling 10, 50 gallon drums. The dogs ran a distant second at 250 and skates rounding out the catch at 200. :


Add in a couple sea ravens and ocean pout and it sounds like an ideal day for jmurr711!!!! :D

[frugalfisherman]

Anyone know what the fines are for possesing too many winter floundeR?

Correct me if I am wrong (and I'm sure many will) but keeping 1-3 fish(flounder, fluke, seabass and tog etc.)is $134 with court cost inc. 3-6 fish $234 and so on. What are your chance's of being caught? Just dont be stupid enough to pull your boat out at AH (THE MAN IS THERE ALL THE TIME). A lot of irate fisherman on this website were going to protest by keeping one fluke and all coming in and getting caught, paying a fine and hoping for sympathy. What happened with that? I did my fluke protest this summer as well as a lot of other guys I know and didn't pay a fine. If the rule makers take the recreational fisherman, charter and party boat owners in mind then I might change my attitude.

[dales529]

Hasn't this all been gone over months ago?

I remember a meeting in Tom River, very few people there to speak up, not that it would have done much good by then, but at leats it could have been one of those "stand up and be counted" things everyone is talking about now. Correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to ask) but there were maybe 25 people there.

Again, skip the meetings and piss & moan about it later. If we can't stay a step ahead we have to at least try to keep up, pay attention people.

Bump!!!!!
Because its true and on point. Key point Reelron made was even back in the Toms River meeting it was probably too late for public opinion. Ever wonder why those that we complain about are ALWAYS a step in front of US.
Given that this is NO suprise AGAIN instead of paying the fines for the regs we hate why NOT try (and I stress try) to PREVENT it.

Bottom line is recreational fishermen will NOT be taken serious until WE get serious. And guess what all the rallys,todays VOTE for governor regardless of the outcome is NOT the start its just another delay as politics are politics and we have NOT sent any message of unity as we sit back and act as individuals instead of a group. Unless of course somehow ALL fishermen voted both parties OUT.

Again JMHO

[jmurr711]

Add in a couple sea ravens and ocean pout and it sounds like an ideal day for jmurr711!!!! :D
yes it does yes it does hahah. and Chris the fine is don't get caught ahahha

[GDubya07]

Unfortunately it is what it is and this fate was decided months ago
Flounder fishing is my favorite fishing next to Fluke and there is nothing left to fish for.

After this is implimented to 2 fish @ 12" and there will no boats specifically targeting them now and the 2 Fish @ 12" is for bycatch only. I personally always tried to get a couple of flounder charters and party boat trips in for em - but next year this is not happening for me I cant afford to pay that money to get 2 fish hopefully?

IMHO and people won't like this - I support this closure/limitted by-catch - there is hardley anything left and when the quota goes over again it will be very hard to prove that the rec's overfished the stock again - but they will - meanwhile the commercilas are still going strong catching these tasty fishies - but my next question and will like to see how they will and try and conserve this fishery and see were the blame goes this time ???

I am all for conservation but the real problem still needs to be looked at and addressed -IMHO -

G- OUt :cool:

[Reelron]

I could have lived with the 2 fish By-catch thing if they had made it an all year thing. Only flounder I caught this year were well after the so called season had closed. I know many others that also caught some very nice flounder later in the year.

[Life's A Beach]

Since we're posting our "wish list", here's mine.


Flounder open all year, 10" size and no bag limit. If it's THAT BAD that they'd keep a short spring season of 2 fish; we might as well send them on to the "Whiting Grounds"!

[bunker dunker]

they are wrong,there were plenty of big flounder on the wrecks this year.
i was on a ns bottom boat out of point and had 7 flounder all over 2lbs one
day{all returned}.there were 60-80 flounder caught and released that day.
all caught on ling rigs.if we would of had flounder gear we could have caught
many more.

[PAMonger]

I thought we had a regs forum? :p

[Ling Slinger]

they are wrong,there were plenty of big flounder on the wrecks this year.
i was on a ns bottom boat out of point and had 7 flounder all over 2lbs one
day{all returned}.there were 60-80 flounder caught and released that day.
all caught on ling rigs.if we would of had flounder gear we could have caught
many more.

You're absolutely right. I had the same experience on many ling trips this past summer on the same boat. As people were releasing them, you would look off into the distance and see at least 5 draggers just beating the piss out of them on the edge of the hole. Now how does that make sense?????:mad:

[jmurr711]

they are wrong,there were plenty of big flounder on the wrecks this year.
i was on a ns bottom boat out of point and had 7 flounder all over 2lbs one
day{all returned}.there were 60-80 flounder caught and released that day.
all caught on ling rigs.if we would of had flounder gear we could have caught
many more.

caught alot of big flounder as well this summer on that boat and i disposed of them properly. but it seemd alot of people struggled in the bays, i know in barny bay i heard from alot of people while togging in april on the mbh that it was one of the worst flounder runs they had seen

[Capt. Debbie]

Or you keep making trip back to the cooler to put your two fish in the trunk. then go fishing again.

It is a joke. Skip the reality check. Why not limit it to 10 flounder? But at 18 inches. :)

Capt. Frank


You'll need 30 peeps to make a decent catch, :eek:

[MartyS]

I thought we had a regs forum? :p
Me too. I had voted to keep regs on this main forum, but a clear majority wanted a separate section. Since that's the case, this thread should be moved out of this forum.

[dales529]

Me too. I had voted to keep regs on this main forum, but a clear majority wanted a separate section. Since that's the case, this thread should be moved out of this forum.

Marty,
The simple reason the regs were requested on a separate forum was too keep it focused and in one place without it drifting down the board. I think its working but willing to listen.
Thanks, dave

[MartyS]

Marty,
The simple reason the regs were requested on a separate forum was too keep it focused and in one place without it drifting down the board. I think its working but willing to listen.
Thanks, dave
I have no issue with that; the reason for my comment was that this thread resided in the main section until recently.

For me, I feel that I'm more likely to read the regs posts on the main board, rather than visit this separate section.