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Gerry Zagorski
10-12-2023, 09:49 AM
It was a good day to be a Sebass yesterday since they avoided our hooks. Not however a good day to be a Blackfish :D

My boat neighbor Bill on the Destiny II finally got his boat back up and running. Every time he thought it was fixed we'd attempt to head out and got turned back because of the one engine giving him fits. Frikin boats! Well yesterday all the stars finally aligned and he's back up and running again!

Headed own the beach in search of Seabass fishing hi low rigs with crabs since that seemed to be working good for us these past few weeks. Not a touch on the hi lows so after a half hour I decided to throw a jig. First jig down and WHAM, I get crushed by a Blackfish instantly! After about a half hour of non stop Blackfish on my part, Bill and Rich came over to the dark side too and here is where it gets interesting...

I've always said that with jig fishing a lot of times it's the arrow not the Indian and our experiment this day would prove it out.

When they first decided to switch over to the jigs, they were using the same rods they normally use for Fluking, light rods with slow action whippy tips. I continued to bail the fish and both of them were still struggling.

OK lets do a little experiment so I gave my pole to Bill and wham, he starts bailing fish... I set Rich up with my other rod and he's now in on the action too. I try to use Bill and Rich's pole and I'm not catching squat. So it's not the Indian, it's the arrow.

We talked about it a lot on here and it proves the point that Blackfish jigging requires a specific set up. It's definitely not like other types of fishing where you can get away with whatever... Whatever does not work here.

A good jigging set up needs to be light in weight both the reel and the rod. If you're fishing something heavy, your're simply not going to feel the slight ticks and bites. Yes you might get lucky once and a while where a suicidal fish picks up your jig and runs with it but bites like that are far a few between..They are usually a lot more subtle and feel more like ticks instead of tugs. This is especially true on those days the fish don't seem to want to commit to the bait.

For the same reason, you need to be using braided line and the rod needs to be some sort of composite with good sensitivity. The braid transfers any slight ticks up the line and to the rod where you can now feel it. Now that you can feel the bite, you have to have a fast tip in order to set the hook quickly, sink the hook into the fish and get him up out of the rocks.

We actually got tired of catching Blackfish so we moved to another spot to see if we could muster up some Seabass. No such luck. Every place we stopped we'd immediately get covered up by those pesky Blackfish..

Been quite a few years since I've seen that sort of crazy Blackfish bite. I was beginning to think those days were gone and you can bet when the season opens up later next month they will be :cool:

bulletbob
10-12-2023, 02:18 PM
Nice report, very informative!. I agree that November isn't great for blackfish.. Throughout the majority of my life, october was always the best month for Blackfish,, Yes we caught them into Thanksgiving every year, but they were always slowing down by that time, and the catches were small compared to september and october.. i still get a chuckle when i see guys here using the term ""blackfish weather"".. To me blackfish weather is a somewhat calm sunny mid october day around 60 degrees.. Thats was always the best time for them.. This idea that nasty late November into late December weather is the best time for blackfish is absurd.. Some will bite in 45 degree water, but these are cool water fish, NOT cold water.. They are most active at around 65 degrees.. i think the reason everyone thinks Novemeber is "tog time", is because we were forced to think that way.. The powers that be don't want to many taken by recs, so they close the season down in spring as the fish get closer to preferred temps, and then in fall open it when the fish start getting less active due to colder temps... Not a bad strategy I suppose,, Let guys fish when there are fewer fish available!....

Gerry Zagorski
10-12-2023, 03:12 PM
Nothing like T Shirt Togging 😎🏆

dales529
10-12-2023, 03:15 PM
Nice report, very informative!. I agree that November isn't great for blackfish.. Throughout the majority of my life, october was always the best month for Blackfish,, Yes we caught them into Thanksgiving every year, but they were always slowing down by that time, and the catches were small compared to september and october.. i still get a chuckle when i see guys here using the term ""blackfish weather"".. To me blackfish weather is a somewhat calm sunny mid october day around 60 degrees.. Thats was always the best time for them.. This idea that nasty late November into late December weather is the best time for blackfish is absurd.. Some will bite in 45 degree water, but these are cool water fish, NOT cold water.. They are most active at around 65 degrees.. i think the reason everyone thinks Novemeber is "tog time", is because we were forced to think that way.. The powers that be don't want to many taken by recs, so they close the season down in spring as the fish get closer to preferred temps, and then in fall open it when the fish start getting less active due to colder temps... Not a bad strategy I suppose,, Let guys fish when there are fewer fish available!....

I dont know enough to agree or disagree with this. Yes for humans best blackfishing is T shirt weather on a calm warm day. Having said that I know many captains that absolutely slam them November through January with angler limits and slobs to DD. I personally dont like fishing in the cold and even snow but boy they (blackfish) do co opertate for the sharpies that live for these adventures. Its a big business with many booked trips and hope all that love it go for these charter / PB's that do well!

bulletbob
10-12-2023, 03:49 PM
I dont know enough to agree or disagree with this. Yes for humans best blackfishing is T shirt weather on a calm warm day. Having said that I know many captains that absolutely slam them November through January with angler limits and slobs to DD. I personally dont like fishing in the cold and even snow but boy they (blackfish) do co opertate for the sharpies that live for these adventures. Its a big business with many booked trips and hope all that love it go for these charter / PB's that do well!

That happens further south off south jersey/delaware further offshore, I agree.. There are always fish to be caught if you go deep/far enough.. You can catch Weakfish/Porgies/ Blues /Sea Bass off NJ in January if you go far enough offshore as we know .. Blackfish are not that active in 40 degree inshore water.. I am 69 so my experience is from another time.. Years ago, most captains didn't chase tog in January as they do today.. The best blackfishing was always say last week of september until around early Novemeber.. Each day as the water got colder the fish cooperated less and less, and the bite was deeper and deeper.. I guess if mid winter tog are someone's "thing" thats fine, but as a long time blackfisherman, I know when the fish are most active, and readily available, and it isn't when the water is 40 degrees... bob

dales529
10-12-2023, 04:21 PM
That happens further south off south jersey/delaware further offshore, I agree.. There are always fish to be caught if you go deep/far enough.. You can catch Weakfish/Porgies/ Blues /Sea Bass off NJ in January if you go far enough offshore as we know .. Blackfish are not that active in 40 degree inshore water.. I am 69 so my experience is from another time.. Years ago, most captains didn't chase tog in January as they do today.. The best blackfishing was always say last week of september until around early Novemeber.. Each day as the water got colder the fish cooperated less and less, and the bite was deeper and deeper.. I guess if mid winter tog are someone's "thing" thats fine, but as a long time blackfisherman, I know when the fish are most active, and readily available, and it isn't when the water is 40 degrees... bob

Actually they fish 1-3 miles off MI in 40 to 60ft and do well and my guess is the water temp is 40 degrees. No arguments here but it certainly happens close to home ports

Foul Hook
10-12-2023, 07:41 PM
Well done Gerry. Glad you got them. I haven't wet a line since before the blow started. Wind, rain, work. FML. Good job Capt.

bulletbob
10-12-2023, 08:23 PM
Actually they fish 1-3 miles off MI in 40 to 60ft and do well and my guess is the water temp is 40 degrees. No arguments here but it certainly happens close to home ports

I won't argue either, and I don't want to hijack this thread more than I already have, but if you can put good catches of tog together in 40 FOW a mile offshore with water temps of 40*f you are a far better fisherman than I'll ever be! I still say that gerry and his mates had good success because they fished good water/ good structure with good technique at prime blackfish time...bob

Gerry Zagorski
10-13-2023, 09:40 AM
Well done Gerry. Glad you got them. I haven't wet a line since before the blow started. Wind, rain, work. FML. Good job Capt.

You got to get out there soon Tony... Blackfishing like it used to be!