Porgy Ban in federal wsters?

[hartattack]

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6306680396112#sp=show-clips.

[Dclark2]

HE S _ _ _ _ S

[bunker dunker]

mine mine mine is all that party knows and won't be happy til everything is theirs

[hammer4reel]

Must be going to give them to another country as a political perk .

Would think there are much more important things this administration needs to work on .

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[capt74]

This is from an administration that thinks 6 dollars a gallon for gas is a good thing. When will it stop? They don't care how many people they put out of business.

[bulletbob]

Boy thats unexpected... Porgy fishing was down some last year, was it not?... I could be wrong on that ,,, but a total ban?


Seems a bit extreme to me, However extreme is the byword for the lunatics in power at this time.

So i suppose, they would be limited to fishing a maximum 3 miles out... Any pieces that hold porgies within 3 miles would get wiped out fast thats for sure, and then what?... punt I guess.. More pressure on Fluke. The bottom boats need something to fish for...

[porgylber]

Please correct me if I’m wrong….however OTHER than large party boats heading out to deep water wrecks in the fall and winter, does anyone fish for porgies in Federal water? In NJ, every wreck or pile is well within 3 miles of the beach. In NY, porgies are currently being caught in the Sound and in the bays.
While I hate this proposed legislation, because I do head out deep in the winter, one potential advantage would be to allow more to breed, driving more towards shore in the spring and summer.

[Gerry Zagorski]

This country is in a tail spin and a Porgy Ban is headline news??

[CancunPete]

Did someone say...1776

[hammer4reel]

Please correct me if I’m wrong….however OTHER than large party boats heading out to deep water wrecks in the fall and winter, does anyone fish for porgies in Federal water? In NJ, every wreck or pile is well within 3 miles of the beach. In NY, porgies are currently being caught in the Sound and in the bays.
While I hate this proposed legislation, because I do head out deep in the winter, one potential advantage would be to allow more to breed, driving more towards shore in the spring and summer.

85% of the porgies caught are well outside the 3 mile line .
And the ones being caught there are dinner plate size , not the small 10-12” fish .

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And it may go from a fully open season at 50 fish per day to closed ?

There is no doubt that fishery is looking to be recommissioned to someone else .

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[bunker dunker]

nothing makes a bit of sense anymore.i'll just keep fishing with my pal bubba and do what we have to do.

[porgylber]

85% of the porgies caught are well outside the 3 mile line .
And the ones being caught there are dinner plate size , not the small 10-12” fish .

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And it may go from a fully open season at 50 fish per day to closed ?

There is no doubt that fishery is looking to be recommissioned to someone else .

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Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

[courbeco]

What's the reason the WH proposes this ban? Did I miss that? Agree with Gerry, this country is in a major tail spin (With this administration) and we're concerned about the scup population?? :confused:

[Gerry Zagorski]

Good to see our own John Depersenaire from the RFA interviewed here...

[Meat Hunter]

Where does federal waters begin and end?
Federal waters begin where state waters end and extend to the 200 mile limit of the Gulf of Mexico. § 600.105 Intercouncil boundaries. (c) South Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico Councils.

The Marine Fisheries Commission, or MFC, is a nine member board appointed by the Governor. The commission is responsible for managing, protecting, preserving, and enhancing the marine and estuarine resources under its jurisdiction. It does this by adopting rules and policies, implementing management measures for fisheries and advising the State on marine fisheries within the jurisdiction of regional and federal boards and councils.

It's all the governors from the blue states causing the problem.

If I owned a party boat, I'd require proof of U.S. Citizenship to get onboard. Period. They can't do anything about it either. Security risk.

[Duffman]

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

I agree with Hammer. Can’t recall catching anything substantial (size and quantity wise) inside the 3 mile line last season. Most on the Scotland grounds and south of there.

Sandy Hook channel #4 is roughly the cutoff. The rough bottom is still roughly another 1.5 miles past that.

SHR and the Shrews rocks are within the boundary but did t do much there porgy wise.

[hammer4reel]

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

You do realize this isn’t just a NJ ban , many other states target porgies way more aggressively than here in Nj .
There is a great offshore fishery for them , not just the season filler here in NJ where they are slightly targeted inshore.
Winter fishery is well offshore as it is in many other states

And you can see land well over 3 miles , here in Nj you can see land up to around 12 .

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[dales529]

Since Gerry is allowing political here:
- I am against this proposed federal water ban on scup as there is no evidence to do so.

Having said that:
- This country is in a tailspin because BOTH parties REFUSE to work with each other on ANYTHING.
- Dems cant get out of their own way
- GOP is so far gone from the norms of political decency its disgusting.
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[mikdel]

Every country is in a tailspin since covid hit. Sky hi prices but record corporate profits and now like Jerry said the horrible porgy affair to worry about. The sky is falling!!!!!!!!!

[PortlyRedhead]

Want to be mad at something besides politics? The bottom trawl fishery for scup / porgies was just deemed sustainable by its trade group.

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/atlantic-scup-fishery-achieves-msc-certification

Full text —> The Marine Stewardship Council (MSC) announced that the Atlantic Scup (Stenotomus chrysops) bottom trawl fishery has achieved MSC certification for sustainable fishing practices. The MSC Fisheries Standard is a globally recognized standard used to assess if a fishery is well-managed, and reflects the most up-to-date understanding of internationally accepted fisheries science and management. The MSC certificate for scup is jointly held by commercial fishing operations Lund’s Fisheries, Inc. and Seafreeze, Ltd.

The Atlantic scup certification follows a rigorous twelve-month review carried out by a third-party assessment body, SCS Global Services. The MSC Fisheries Standard has three core principles that every certified fishery must meet including 1) sustainable fish stocks, 2) minimizing environmental impact, and 3) effective fisheries management. As well as preserving fish stocks and the marine environment, the MSC certification process ensures that scup products can be traced to a sustainable source through required recordkeeping.

Eric Critchlow, US Director for the MSC, said: “The certification of the scup fishery will help safeguard livelihoods, seafood supplies, and healthy oceans for future generations. Being a new whitefish fishery to gain MSC certification is a notable achievement and we welcome Lund’s and Seafreeze’s commitment to fisheries sustainability.”

Lund’s Fisheries principals own and operate 20 fishing vessels delivering a variety of seafood to its freezing and processing facility year-round. Other, independent vessels, from North Carolina through Maine, land scup at the company’s Cape May, NJ plant, as well. The Seafreeze, Ltd. facility in North Kingstown, RI operates three company vessels that it owns, and its affiliated Seafreeze Shoreside, in Narragansett, RI, handles about 10-12 additional independent vessels delivering scup to the Kingstown location. Vessels landing with Seafreeze hail from Rhode Island, New York, and Connecticut ports.

The fishery’s strengths include a well-defined and proven governance system of national and state laws; a suite of strategic policy frameworks that are supportive of the MSC’s Principles; effective leadership within federal and state management and scientific organizations; a transparent and engaging consultation and decision-making processes; and a proven federal-state record of effective collaboration and cooperation at all levels.

Scup, which is also known as Porgy, Maiden, Fair maid, Ironsides, or Northern porgy, is a dusky brown and silver food fish found in the Northwest Atlantic Ocean, primarily between Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Scup populations are healthy and have steadily increased since the mid-1990s. Scup is considered an “underutilized species” because they are low on the list of typically consumed commercially available seafoods by Americans.

Meghan Lapp, Fisheries Liaison for Seafreeze Ltd. and Seafreeze Shoreside, commenting on the economic benefits of certification to their vessels and their customers stated, “This is an exciting step forward in recognition of a sustainable, underutilized fishery. The MSC certification adds value to the fishery and this recognition helps open up new food markets for new customers.”

Wayne Reichle, President of Lund’s Fisheries, commented, “We are excited to join Seafreeze in certifying the potential for the scup fishery, along with the MSC. Lund’s has been a leader in certifying its fisheries, with scup being the fourth MSC product we offer our customers. This new certification will help us present another locally-harvested sustainable fish to the public that they may not have heard of, seen, or eaten before.”

“The successful outcome of this fishery certification highlights yet another example of robust scientific assessment, research, management, and governance of fishery resources here in the United States,” said Brian Ahlers, Client Services Manager, SCS Global Services.

[pectoralfin]

Is there a commercial fishery for scup and will that be banned also?

[bulletbob]

Is there a commercial fishery for scup and will that be banned also?

Yes, there is a commercial fishery for scup.. I see them for sale on ice in a lot of places.. With grey gills, weird,sickly skin color and hazy white/blue eyes. Fresh as a daisy!,,,, No the population will ""recover"" at the expense of recreational fishermen, make book on it....

[bigjamaica]

Please correct me if I’m wrong….however OTHER than large party boats heading out to deep water wrecks in the fall and winter, does anyone fish for porgies in Federal water? In NJ, every wreck or pile is well within 3 miles of the beach. In NY, porgies are currently being caught in the Sound and in the bays.
While I hate this proposed legislation, because I do head out deep in the winter, one potential advantage would be to allow more to breed, driving more towards shore in the spring and summer.

Our boats catch many porgies at times. Most of them are in federal waters. The stock is 200% rebuilt. The fact that this is even thought about at this time is Ludicrous. This administration is a Joke, by any measure.

[pectoralfin]

NOAA Fisheries is proposing a federal closure on recreational scup harvest in 2022. This closure would apply to all recreational vessels fishing in federal waters and all for-hire vessels holding a federal scup permit fishing in either state or federal waters. Fishery participants who would be impacted by such a closure are encouraged to submit comment to NOAA Fisheries on the proposed rule using the e-rulemaking portal by the deadline of May 3. In particular, comment is being sought on: 1) the anticipated social and economic impacts of the proposed closure, and 2) alternative approaches that would achieve the objective of reducing scup harvest and preventing overfishing while also minimizing, to the extent possible, social and economic impacts.

In December 2021, in response to a determination that prevailing recreational regulations would not be sufficient to constrain 2022 coastwide scup recreational harvest to the 2022 scup Recreational Harvest Limit (RHL), the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC) and the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) voted to adopt a 1-inch increase in recreational scup minimum size in coastwide state and federal waters for 2022 (generally an increase from 9-inch to 10-inch minimum size). The increased minimum length was projected to reduce scup recreational harvest by 33% in 2022.

The ASMFC and MAFMC did not choose to adopt a more substantial regulatory change, despite projections indicating that a 56% recreational harvest reduction would be required to ensure the 2022 RHL would not be exceeded, due to:
concerns over the socio-economic impact of imposing such a substantial harvest reduction in one year;
recognition of the negligible probability of the scup stock becoming overfished in the near-term given the robust state of the stock (over 200% of target biomass according to 2021 stock assessment);
the high likelihood that, as in most recent years, commercial scup harvest in 2022 will be substantially lower than the 2022 coastwide commercial quota, further reducing the likelihood of overfishing; and
the pending implementation of a revised commercial/recreational allocation and anticipated action on other recreational fishery management reforms which would likely alleviate some of the needed reduction in the near future.
NOAA Fisheries has determined that they are required by the fishery management plan to propose additional measures to ensure the scup recreational annual catch limit is not exceeded, and has thus proposed a complete federal closure to scup recreational harvest in 2022 as “the only management measure available that would result in any meaningful reduction in harvest, even though less than 6 percent, on average, of recreational scup catch comes from Federal waters
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[tautog]

If you go from Sheepshead Bay north, you can limit out in 30 mins on good days from May into mid October inshore. There are no lack of porgies. For some reason they pushed south and offshore pretty late last year off of NJ. I went once in the Peconics on May 1st this year. It took 5 of us 40 mins to catch our 150 fish. We threw back anything under 13". When you close a species, it has a domino effect of hammering other species. For bottom fishing, ling tends to be the fall back species. Also a charter or partyboat could not keep porgies in state waters unless it surrenders its federal permit under this closure. Not sure how any bottom fishing boat fishing inshore from Sheepshead Bay north could survive under this proposal.