AHMM Ramp F&G in the house Sunday 7/25

[Capt. Debbie]

Had a tow into AH MM ramp yesterday morning. The Fish and Game lady was all over everything she could get to coming in.

Nice lady, but ALL BUSINESS.

[TwoDDs]

Saw F&G (in a boat) in the lower Shrewsbury, the afternoon of July 10th.
First time I've ever seen them in the Shrewsbury during the summer.

[dakota560]

Had a tow into AH MM ramp yesterday morning. The Fish and Game lady was all over everything she could get to coming in.

Nice lady, but ALL BUSINESS.

Good to hear, exactly what they should be doing.

[Capt. Debbie]

I agree 100%. Its good they are showing the flag


Good to hear, exactly what they should be doing.

[Irish Jigger]

She and the rest of the crew are very nice, respectful, and extremely professional. Never looking to bust chops just do their jobs!!!

[bulletbob]

I hate to be the only right wing wing nut on this outdoorsmans site, but they are minions of the state,just more oppression in a world where its becoming more common, and more welcomed every day.

[Gumada]

I hate to be the only right wing wing nut on this outdoorsmans site, but they are minions of the state,just more oppression in a world where its becoming more common, and more welcomed every day.


Agree

[Duffman]

So you guys would rather them not check because it’s more government intervention? Seriously? I’ve gotta ask ya when the last time you fished here locally and see what goes on. Have you seen it? First hand? If you did you wouldn’t post what you did.

[bulletbob]

I have not been there but once this year, but lived there 37 years, and its been only the past few where I don't fish it several times each year,,, the fact remains. I was forever getting stopped, having buckets looked into, boarded for "safety checks" by the CG, NJ Marine Police, as well as municipal marine patrols while I lived there, and many times after I fished in NJ as a NY resident... If you guys enjoy that sort of thing, fine, but yes, in my humble opinion its intrusion, at times bordering on harassment, and the fact that so many intelligent, articulate sportsmen welcome it boggles my mind.. Do you enjoy getting pulled over by the cops for no reason as well?...

[Duffman]

Holy **** you just have no clue what goes on here on the bayshore day in day out.

Yes I welcome it. The checks, the stops. My lord, spend a weekend here and you’ll understand. I’ll bow out of this convo now. I’ve said enuff

[Jigman13]

Its unfortunate you feel that way BB. If you saw what was going on during the spring striper run from the back bay beaches and shorelines you would've been pleading for more fish and game patrols and checks.

Guys walking off the beach with buckets and coolers full of short bass, hiding them in the sand a few feet from where they were fishing, etc. I saw one guy get popped. Prob couldve gotten 100 if they had the staff...every nite... for at least 4 weeks...in just one single area by the Amboys.

I welcome it when I get checked. I also call in poachers. If I see it I'm making the call. They offer rewards for it but I forego them as seeing someone get a coupon and their gear taken away is far more rewarding.

[Gumada]

If they observe a violation, I am, by all means ok with it. However, a policeman cannot pull you over just to check if you have done anything illegal ! Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional.....

[bulletbob]

If they observe a violation, I am, by all means ok with it. However, a policeman cannot pull you over just to check if you have done anything illegal ! Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional.....

agreed... Poachers? Taking dozens of illegal fish?-throw the book at them.. No problem here.

Yet catch say a fat 17 and 3/4 inch fluke, deeply hooked, and bleeding profusely and decide you don't want to waste it, and you are lumped in with the creeps that catch 30 undersized stripers and keep them all.. I dunno, somehow it doesn't add up.

NJ has a LOT of problems, and yes poachers abound,I realize that.. However, surveillance of the law abiding innocent majority to keep "order" is the playbook of despotic, totalitarian governments, and has NO place in the USA, yet it is becoming commonplace, and sadly,desired and applauded...

Brave new world has been here for a while, and has been embraced.
I am now an older man, actually what many would call an old man I guess, and cannot understand the modern mindset of security/stability at the cost of personal freedom/ individual rights , but many today are willing to make that trade. We wanted this, and we got it... enjoy...

[Capt Sal]

I hate to be the only right wing wing nut on this outdoorsmans site, but they are minions of the state,just more oppression in a world where its becoming more common, and more welcomed every day.

Another statement that is ridiculous!!!!

[shrimpman steve]

It’s the rule makers not the guys and gals enforcing the rules. They are just doing their job.

I’m sure that most of us feel that way.

[bulletbob]

It’s the rule makers not the guys and gals enforcing the rules. They are just doing their job.

I’m sure that most of us feel that way.

Understood, but if you believe the Bible [I do] one day all those that oppressed, tortured, killed others because "it was their job" will stand before their Creator and give account..
I would not want my defense on that Day to be "I was just doing my job".

"I was only doing my job" is a phrase thats been used for a very long time by those that limit/take away personal liberties...
Again, personal liberty and freedom has been sacrificed on the alter of security/safety/fairness/social justice.. I am not ok with it, but I have been outvoted by my fellow citizens.
As a society we have accepted state surveillance and intrusion as fair play in order to maintain law and order in all its forms, right down to fish/game regulations.
Not much I can do about it, but for the time being I am allowed to voice my opinion which I realize is contrary to the opinion of the masses ... bob

[Skolmann]

Holy **** you just have no clue what goes on here on the bayshore day in day out.

Yes I welcome it. The checks, the stops. My lord, spend a weekend here and you’ll understand. I’ll bow out of this convo now. I’ve said enuff

Agree with you 100% 👍

[Skolmann]

Absolutely no problem with being checked.

Can’t tell you how many short fluke (not gut hooked or 1/8” short) that I have seen being kept while fishing the wall at Manasquan Inlet or how many not even close to being legal blackfish I’ve seen in coolers/buckets along the Pt. Pleasant canal or the south jetty at Barnegat Inlet.

[Capt Sal]

Understood, but if you believe the Bible [I do] one day all those that oppressed, tortured, killed others because "it was their job" will stand before their Creator and give account..
I would not want my defense on that Day to be "I was just doing my job".

"I was only doing my job" is a phrase thats been used for a very long time by those that limit/take away personal liberties...
Again, personal liberty and freedom has been sacrificed on the alter of security/safety/fairness/social justice.. I am not ok with it, but I have been outvoted by my fellow citizens.
As a society we have accepted state surveillance and intrusion as fair play in order to maintain law and order in all its forms, right down to fish/game regulations.
Not much I can do about it, but for the time being I am allowed to voice my opinion which I realize is contrary to the opinion of the masses ... bob
With out Fish and Game and rules and regulations there would be nothing to catch! If you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about! The Bible and the rest of your thoughts don't belong on a fishing site! FYI I believe in God but this is not the place for it!

[Capt. Debbie]

AGREE 100%

Other agendas do not belong on and do ruin any site. Take a knee... LOL


With out Fish and Game and rules and regulations there would be nothing to catch! If you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about! The Bible and the rest of your thoughts don't belong on a fishing site! FYI I believe in God but this is not the place for it!

[bulletbob]

With out Fish and Game and rules and regulations there would be nothing to catch! If you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about! The Bible and the rest of your thoughts don't belong on a fishing site! FYI I believe in God but this is not the place for it!

Look up these words
Metaphor-analogy.
Sometimes people use these tools to make a point.. If you can't see the difference between these and proselytizing, I don't know what to tell you .. From you yes indeed I would expect the
"if you aren't breaking the law" shtick... Totally irrelevant ..

It is blatantly unconstitutional and illegal for law enforcement to surveil the innocent to find the guilty.. Yet thats what you and others are advocating.,no other way around it. Enjoy getting stopped regularly in your perfectly safe, legal, well maintained and compliant boat just because others night be drunk, unsafe,non compliant? Fine, but it IS against your constitutional rights.. Yet you embrace it.. Not me,,,,

[wyldbillnj]

Hey Bob...you are more than welcome to let the fish and game warden know, if they ask you "May they check your catch?" that they are not allowed on your vessel or to infringe upon your rights. Thats your choice...

I would like to watch the results of that interaction on youtube during and afterwards so please record if this happens.

[bulletbob]

Hey Bob...you are more than welcome to let the fish and game warden know, if they ask you "May they check your catch?" that they are not allowed on your vessel or to infringe upon your rights. Thats your choice...

I would like to watch the results of that interaction on youtube during and afterwards so please record if this happens.

I agree.. You just made my point... The constitution IS disregarded by the states, as well as the feds.. Thanks for the example!..
I get checked a lot, never hostile, always respectful.
No problem with getting license checked etc, but it is ever increasing, ever expanding... cops now sit in cars with binocs looking for seat belt infractions... Glad you guys are ok with all this.. i personally am not.... bob

[wyldbillnj]

I didnt prove any point. I just want to sit there and laugh when you get arrested yelling about your rights...lol. You can debate all you want from the back of a patrol vehicle. Ive seen that in a couple movies....hahahah.

Police aren't infringing on your or my rights if they are looking for idiots texting on their phones while driving. Right?
I have no complaints about having a game warden asking how I did on any day of the week and taking a look at my catch. I have been boarded and have a very recognizable boat as you can see. I get a wave every time they motor by and am friendly with them if boarded. They are looking out for our interests in making sure those who break laws by concealing an illegal or undersize catch are held to account. It's not us capitulating to the government to allow them to do their jobs and take a quick look.

[bulletbob]

fine, continue to enjoy the safety and security provided by our "public servants" that are authorized to pick through the innocents to find the guilty... I simply disagree with that mindset.. bob

[Capt Sal]

fine, continue to enjoy the safety and security provided by our "public servants" that are authorized to pick through the innocents to find the guilty... I simply disagree with that mindset.. bob

LMFAO!!!!!!!

[Luckyduck]

Hi to all. I kind of agree with you Bob. We were checked on the water by fish and game and then when we got into the dock we were checked again by fish and game kind of overkill but I do understand they have a job to do. Just remember this they cannot ask you if you’re an illegal immigrant or your gender.

[tautog]

I identify as 2 dogs in a trench coat so they can't write me a ticket.

[Detour66]

F&G checking boats for undersized fish has been going on for 30 years now maybe longer. It's nothin new!

[dakota560]

Probably not a good idea dipping my toe in this one but here goes. Like it or not, we live in a world of rules and regulations. With rules comes oversight and with oversight comes enforcement. Without enforcement, we'd have absolute anarchy, especially with the management of public resources. If I'm "inconvenienced" from time to time to protect that privilege, I'm all for it. I believe, because I choose to believe, most people associated with F&G and other agencies do it for the love of the outdoors, not for any other reason. If that means being checked from time to time, I'm glad to see it happening because I know the resources they protect stand a better chance of being around for my children and their children with their efforts more than without.

To Bob's point, does that mean I don't have concerns with government intervention and basic rights of privacy, of course I do. But in this case I very much appreciate the efforts of F&G, CO's and all the people who are understaffed with enormous territories to patrol who try their best to protect the recreational activity we all love and enjoy.

Truthfully I think I was checked more in the 70's and 80's than I've been in the last 30 years! Personally I'm glad they're out there on our behalf and my hats off for their efforts.

[Irish Jigger]

Duff you said all that needs to be said man !!! I post a damn report not talk about my 33 years of fishing experience!! Go ahead and check.

[Capt Sal]

With all the cop hating going on this should not be on here. Mr. Bob FYI Fish and game wardens have the same authority as a State Trooper. Tell them they can't board your boat and see .

[NoLimit]

I have not been there but once this year, but lived there 37 years, and its been only the past few where I don't fish it several times each year,,, the fact remains. I was forever getting stopped, having buckets looked into, boarded for "safety checks" by the CG, NJ Marine Police, as well as municipal marine patrols while I lived there, and many times after I fished in NJ as a NY resident... If you guys enjoy that sort of thing, fine, but yes, in my humble opinion its intrusion, at times bordering on harassment, and the fact that so many intelligent, articulate sportsmen welcome it boggles my mind.. Do you enjoy getting pulled over by the cops for no reason as well?...

Indeed why is all the activity against boat owners when we all know full well that the urban area shore anglers regularly fish for short stripers and anything else that comes along.

[bulletbob]

Indeed why is all the activity against boat owners when we all know full well that the urban area shore anglers regularly fish for short stripers and anything else that comes along.

However, if you voice this sort of opinion, valid or not, you will be labeled a hater, racist etc..

I get stopped and checked regularly here in NY state as well.. Mostly land based DEC officers doing license checks. Never had them look through my catch, but did hook a Walleye under the chin with a DEC officer looking over my shoulder one time.. He instantly said it wasn't hooked in the mouth and said it needed to be released... I was NOT going argue! Back into the river she went.


They tend to leave boat owners alone up here... I think one time in 30 years I was stopped for a safety /equipment on Cayuga Lake.
The problem is this- you guys live in a concentration of population thats among the highest in the nation. They will continue to seek the guilty among the masses of the innocent... I just grow weary of it at my age, and have a problem understanding the placid acceptance among most people... bob

[bulletbob]

With all the cop hating going on this should not be on here. Mr. Bob FYI Fish and game wardens have the same authority as a State Trooper. Tell them they can't board your boat and see .

I understand that, and I am never disrespectful, I am polite to a fault,and am certainly not that stupid to be nasty to a cop/trooper/conservation officer regardless of how poorly I am treated by one.

Its only my opinion, but at least some of the "cop hating" as you call it is caused by the poor behavior of the officers themselves..

Lots of great cops out there, but I have a met a LOT of nasty truly miserable officers in my life as well. They need to "police their own" a bit better, and public opinion might change.. I hope that is the case..
However, we are going off topic here a bit..

btw, the many conservation officers I have run into over the years, have always been really nice guys, never a chip on any shoulder.. Always polite and respectful, often friendly, smiling, and talkative..
Cops/troopers??-Not so much... bob