Not Good News

[Skolmann]

If (& I stress if) true-it’s devastating news for an already struggling industry.

http://brick.shorebeat.com/2020/04/new-jersey-sets-regulations-for-marinas-bans-charter-and-rental-boats/

[Gerry Zagorski]

Not good at all and same from channel 12 news http://www.news12.com/story/42022877/governors-of-ny-nj-ct-announce-plan-to-allow-boatyards-marinas-to-open

Don’t see why charter and party boats pose more of a threat than private boats if they’re practicing and held accountable to the same social distancing measures. This makes no sense to me.

[Capt Joe]

Pitchforks, torches and ropes with nooses coming to a State House near you

[dakota560]

Why wouldn't the same logic apply to every commercial operation as well. There's a comparable number of people working charters plus fares as there are working on commercial trawlers and some of the larger vessels probably have as many employees working as the numbers sailing during the week on party boats. If the for hire and party boat fleet gets closed down, the entire commercial fleet should be closed down up and down the eastern seaboard for precisely the same reason. Instead they propose increases to trip limits so commercials can bring in more tonnage over less trips when market prices have tanked and domestic and foreign markets have deteriorated.

I would never wish anyone's business to suffer but this double standard between state and federal governments between commercial and recreational rights can't go on. If this article is correct, you are putting for hire and party boats out of business and if this is for the benefit of public safety you can't ignore the same safety risks the commercial sector poses for the exact same reasons.

Complete BS.

[Gremlin2009]

I just heard that governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut have agreed to open marinas

[shrimpman steve]

The idea was to flatten the curve and not inundate the health system. We have done that. This is starting to look less deadly then flu as far as mortality. Protect the vulnerable and let the healthy start to get back to work. Yes there’s going to be more deaths but the hospitals have had time to prepare. I’m not saying open tomorrow, but we better start soon.

Ahhhhh, what do I know, I drive an airboat for a living.

[hammer4reel]

Recreational sectors already had an order in place .
In order to fish a private boat it had to be immediate family or household .

Meaning no friends gatherings to fish.

No different for an immediate family to be self quarantined on their boat or in their house..

Glad my fishing partner is the same person that sleeps next to me.

[hammer4reel]

The idea was to flatten the curve and not inundate the health system. We have done that. This is starting to look less deadly then flu as far as mortality. Protect the vulnerable and let the healthy start to get back to work. Yes there’s going to be more deaths but the hospitals have had time to prepare. I’m not saying open tomorrow, but we better start soon.

Ahhhhh, what do I know, I drive an airboat for a living.

Be fine if that was actually possible , but it’s not .
One look at nursing homes proves that just because it’s passed around the normal community it will make it there .

Healthy going back to soon is just going to hurt more of those compromised .


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[Gumada]

I fear that even if the for-hire boats were allowed to open it would be tough for them to attract fares. Getting 6 fares that don’t reside together even if they know each other would be a challenge. Or 40 strangers on a party boat, they are potentially putting their families at risk.....I just don’t see it happening at this point. It’s sad but it’s the way it is for now.....

[frugalfisherman]

The governor of NJ has stated he doesn't consider the Constitution in his decisions. In fact he said the Constitution is "above my pay grade".


The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the United States Congress from enacting legislation that would abridge the right of the people to assemble peaceably.[1] The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes this prohibition applicable to state governments.[2]

The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.[3] The right to assemble is not, however, absolute. Government officials cannot simply prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion,[4] but the government can impose restrictions on the time, place, and manner of peaceful assembly, provided that constitutional safeguards are met.[5] Time, place, and manner restrictions are permissible so long as they “are justified without reference to the content of the regulated speech, . . . are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and . . . leave open ample alternative channels for communication of the information.”[6]

Such time, place, and manner restrictions can take the form of requirements to obtain a permit for an assembly.[7] The Supreme Court has held that it is constitutionally permissible for the government to require that a permit for an assembly be obtained in advance.[8] The government can also make special regulations that impose additional requirements for assemblies that take place near major public events.[9]

In the United States, the organizer of a public assembly must typically apply for and obtain a permit in advance from the local police department or other local governmental body.[10] Applications for permits usually require, at a minimum, information about the specific date, time, and location of the proposed assembly, and may require a great deal more information.[11] Localities can, within the boundaries established by Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment right to assemble peaceably, impose additional requirements for permit applications, such as information about the organizer of the assembly and specific details about how the assembly is to be conducted.[12]

The First Amendment does not provide the right to conduct an assembly at which there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, or interference with traffic on public streets, or other immediate threat to public safety or order.[13] Statutes that prohibit people from assembling and using force or violence to accomplish unlawful purposes are permissible under the First Amendment.[14] ys the Constitution is "above his pay grade".

[Capt Joe]

RFA ! HELLO! Are you out there? Offering something other than platitudes?:mad:

[cukes]

Not good at all and same from channel 12 news http://www.news12.com/story/42022877/governors-of-ny-nj-ct-announce-plan-to-allow-boatyards-marinas-to-open

Don’t see why charter and party boats pose more of a threat than private boats if they’re practicing and held accountable to the same social distancing measures. This makes no sense to me.

keep voting for power hungry Democrats and they will control your life, look what's going on they refuse to help small business and workers, this is a shame

[pcheesesteak]

Can anyone who has a boat in Monmouth Cove Marina comment as to whether Monmouth Cove is open again? I'm in the racks. Thanks.


Not good at all and same from channel 12 news http://www.news12.com/story/42022877/governors-of-ny-nj-ct-announce-plan-to-allow-boatyards-marinas-to-open.

[Capt John]

Here is the info I copied from a NY publication...

Chartered watercraft services or rentals will not be allowed. As with any other restaurants in the three states, restaurant activity at these sites must be limited to take-out or delivery only. This announcement aligns the policies of the three states on this particular service.

Now this begs a question maybe Gerry or someone else can take a stab at to answer....

Does "chartered watercraft services" encompass party boats? or just 6 pack operations or both.

Like to get a clarification on this. Tried digging thru various NJ and NY web sites for this and no luck so far.

But let's get real here...would any charter or party boat captain want to take responsibility for getting someone sick and maybe dying through transmission from a "asymptomatic" carrier? (A person who has no symptoms but is a "hot" as hell spreading Covid19.) I really don't think so. I know I wouldn't...just my view and how I run my business.

Look, I love to fish just as much as the next guy. But this virus is some really serious shit. If you doubt that, pick any hospital and take a walk through their ER/ICU unit and tell me what you see. Did you ever see someone die of suffocation? Or see someone with a ventilator shoved down his throat?

This disease knows nothing if you're black or white, dem. or rep, north or south, it will kill you just the same. Some very serious shit....just be careful especially if you're a male 60 y/o or older like me.

[Duffman]

Can anyone who has a boat in Monmouth Cove Marina comment as to whether Monmouth Cove is open again? I'm in the racks. Thanks.

Waiting on an answer myself. Its a marina but also a county park so how does that fall into this new executive order?

shit gets more confusing by the day

[hammer4reel]

Here is the info I copied from a NY publication...

Chartered watercraft services or rentals will not be allowed. As with any other restaurants in the three states, restaurant activity at these sites must be limited to take-out or delivery only. This announcement aligns the policies of the three states on this particular service.

Now this begs a question maybe Gerry or someone else can take a stab at to answer....

Does "chartered watercraft services" encompass party boats? or just 6 pack operations or both.

Like to get a clarification on this. Tried digging thru various NJ and NY web sites for this and no luck so far.

But let's get real here...would any charter or party boat captain want to take responsibility for getting someone sick and maybe dying through transmission from a "asymptomatic" carrier? (A person who has no symptoms but is a "hot" as hell spreading Covid19.) I really don't think so. I know I wouldn't...just my view and how I run my business.

Look, I love to fish just as much as the next guy. But this virus is some really serious shit. If you doubt that, pick any hospital and take a walk through their ER/ICU unit and tell me what you see. Did you ever see someone die of suffocation? Or see someone with a ventilator shoved down his throat?

This disease knows nothing if you're black or white, dem. or rep, north or south, it will kill you just the same. Some very serious shit....just be careful especially if you're a male 60 y/o or older like me.


Exactly.
T has a compromised system due to extremely bad asthma.
I worked from home for over 2 weeks just so I could be able to fish with her in our boat .

As much as I want to fish with my normal crew , I won’t just because I wouldnt be able to fish with her .

Anyone can be a carrier at this point .
As you said this virus is for real .
Hackensack’s most ever on ventilators was 30 before this . Last week they had over 400.
And that’s with all the shut downs going on .

Hopefully much of this will pass in the next few weeks , and we get some new type of normal before summer .

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[Flygaff]

Waiting on an answer myself. Its a marina but also a county park so how does that fall into this new executive order?

shit gets more confusing by the day

I just spoke with Chet at Monmouth Cove Marina. He will not know anything until Monday afternoon. I am hopeful. I will be there in the morning working on the boat. Anything I hear I will pass along

[RBC67]

Even with marina's open
Personal water craft are still 2 people on a boat and supposed be family members
Also social distancing applies

[dakota560]

Here's the current boating regulations for New Jersey announced April 3 by Governor Murphy.

April 3, 2020
Consistent with Governor Murphy's orders that all New Jerseyans practice social distancing in order to limit the spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19), anglers must fish alone or with immediate family members and cannot fish in groups of any size (no matter how small), either on land or by boat. A minimum six-foot social distance between anglers must be maintained at all times. To disperse the fish and to help maintain social distancing among anglers, trout were released early and the NJ Fish and Game Council opened trout stocked waters for catch and release only for trout, from April 1 through April 10. Season, size, and creel limits for all other species apply, as well as any gear restrictions.

So again tell me how any commercial operator is sailing currently in NJ with more than just the Captain or immediate family members which you know is not the case. My heart goes out to the commercial sector but at the same time my heart goes out to the recreational sector and every business being decimated by this virus not to mention the risk of contagion commercial operators pose by having their own set of rules. Not to mention the fact their markets have been destroyed so a lot of their catch is being wasted. Question is how is the commercial sectors risk / reward model with this virus any different then the recreational risk reward model. Both impact the economy, both require social interaction so why would one sector have different guidelines as it relates to the health crisis and safety or lock down precautions. They're potential carriers of the infection no different than anyone else. I understand the exception made for essential workers, commercial operators are not essential workers even more so when you consider their markets have been destroyed both domestic and internationally.

[Duffman]

Flygaff..sent ya a PM Thanks

[pcheesesteak]

Thank you sir.

I just spoke with Chet at Monmouth Cove Marina. He will not know anything until Monday afternoon. I am hopeful. I will be there in the morning working on the boat. Anything I hear I will pass along

[Gerry Zagorski]

Look up ^^^ and sign the petition please...

[Flygaff]

Can anyone who has a boat in Monmouth Cove Marina comment as to whether Monmouth Cove is open again? I'm in the racks. Thanks.

I was at the Marina this morning. The Marina will be able to put boats in the water every week on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I believe you should call and reserve a time spot with them.

[pcheesesteak]

Thank you very much for this information!

I was at the Marina this morning. The Marina will be able to put boats in the water every week on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I believe you should call and reserve a time spot with them.

[Duffman]

Thanks for the info sir, much appreciated !

[X-Jersey]

Way to go, Shorebeat! Now Tices Shoal is on their radar. SMH

[Flygaff]

Face Masks are now required at the marina. Please don't argue, just go with the flow and wear them. If we don't follow the rules the county can shut the marina down. Good luck and be safe to all

[wyldbillnj]

Ill have to pickup a neck gaiter for my daughter to wear then. Thanks for the heads up.

[stevelazar]

We all are experiencing frustration, depression, fear, stress and anxiety to some degree. Those following suggestions of "Stay Home, Stay Safe" also probably have a lot of time to stew and brew. I truly feel for those that feed their families by providing the service of taking fishermen out to do what they love/need to do. Those challenging the precautions being utilized, I wonder how they would view the situation if they had a loved one contract the virus and pass away after infecting other loved ones. Just my 2 cents. You know what they say about opinions...