This might explain why tuna fishing has been poor (overall) for the last decade

[tunajoe]

Global Warming Has Made Gulf Stream Slowest in 1,600 Years, and That Could Impact Our Weather

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-04-12-gulf-stream-slowing-climate-change-study

[bowhunter]

I thought it was the pair trawlers fault??

[bulletbob]

Sorry, you couldn't ever convince me that anything the radical leftist, one worlder Weather Channel says is factual..

Tough to sell the "global warming" myth to people that are still freezing their asses off on a daily basis... bob

[frugalfisherman]

So what made it this slow 1600 years ago?

[Gumada]

Who was measuring the speed 1600 yrs ago and how ? Don’t tell me a rope with knots in it....:)

[NoLimit]

The Potsdam Institute are a bunch of commies looking for a free ride. There is no problem in the world that cant be fixed with Other Peoples Money, according to them.

https://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/public-events/climate-policy-objectives-conflicts-solutions?searchterm=inequality

Their reports are all BS. Dont believe a word of it.

[Gerry Zagorski]

I knew where this was going to go as soon as I saw it posted.

Pass the popcorn please......

[Canyon Runner]

There's definitely a lot less eddies in the past 10 years then there were in the 20 years prior to that.

But if you read the article completely the MIT Professor indicates the data doesn't support the findings so I guess it's B.S.

[NoLimit]

Global Warming Has Made Gulf Stream Slowest in 1,600 Years, and That Could Impact Our Weather

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-04-12-gulf-stream-slowing-climate-change-study

Tuna fishing is poor because the quantity of tuna is poor. Theres plenty of baitfish but no tuna. Back the the 30's, sport fishermen used to start trolling as soon as they got to the tip of the hook. My mother-in-law has pics of loading up with big footballs within sight of SRI

[Gerry Zagorski]

Tuna fishing is poor because the quantity of tuna is poor. Theres plenty of baitfish but no tuna. Back the the 30's, sport fishermen used to start trolling as soon as they got to the tip of the hook. My mother-in-law has pics of loading up with big footballs within sight of SRI

Heard a lot of those stories too NoLmit and from some very reliable people and as late as the early 70s. Giants too.... As close as 17 and if you had the right gear and know how, it was game on...

Man what I would give to just to witness it.

Still an occasional school bluefin here an there but much further out.

Very closed mouth fishery so they might still be there....

[Andreas Toy]

The Gulf of Guinea in Africa is a breeding ground for bigeye
And yellowfin. They are being decimated on that side before they
Grow to adult size. The techniques they use with fad’s equipped
With fishdinders decimates schools of tuna.

[Capt Joe]

Sorry, you couldn't ever convince me that anything the radical leftist, one worlder Weather Channel says is factual..

Tough to sell the "global warming" myth to people that are still freezing their asses off on a daily basis... bob

You're OK, Bob, no matter what Stephanie Abrams or Dr Postel say about you.:D

[shrimpman steve]

The Gulf of Guinea in Africa is a breeding ground for bigeye
And yellowfin. They are being decimated on that side before they
Grow to adult size. The techniques they use with fad’s equipped
With fishdinders decimates schools of tuna.

Bingo

[bulletbob]

The reason Tuna are scarce is the same reason other species are.
Too many being caught and eaten by too many people..

The world population has doubled in 40 years.. thats frightening..
With today's technology, the fish have no where to hide, and are being caught and eaten before they even grow into adults...
The world wide unrelenting phobia for sushi has decimated tuna fisheries...

Here's something I found about what Bluefins are worth in Japan.... Insanity..


In 2013, wealthy businessman Kiyoshi Kimura — who owns Japanese chain Sushi Zanmai — purchased a 488 pound fish (which is just over half the size of the fish caught in Katsuura) for a staggering $1.76 million, or over five times of what the Katsuura fish commanded. The same businessman purchased a 593-pound bluefin tuna for $736,000 the year before that.

[Capt Sal]

The reason Tuna are scarce is the same reason other species are.
Too many being caught and eaten by too many people..

The world population has doubled in 40 years.. thats frightening..
With today's technology, the fish have no where to hide, and are being caught and eaten before they even grow into adults...
The world wide unrelenting phobia for sushi has decimated tuna fisheries...

Here's something I found about what Bluefins are worth in Japan.... Insanity..


In 2013, wealthy businessman Kiyoshi Kimura — who owns Japanese chain Sushi Zanmai — purchased a 488 pound fish (which is just over half the size of the fish caught in Katsuura) for a staggering $1.76 million, or over five times of what the Katsuura fish commanded. The same businessman purchased a 593-pound bluefin tuna for $736,000 the year before that.
I agree.If the Bluefin Giants all get exported to Japan NOAA should close it down. We are not feeding Americans we are exporting them.Sport fishermen are allowed to keep one giant per year.Commercial hook and line and harpooners have a different set of rules. This is only part of the problem.

[Capt. Debbie]

My question is how did the commercial guys who ruin everything change the Gulf Stream.

We all know it's them.

[Capt. Debbie]

BFT tuna is feeding the masses in Japan? Versus feeding the masses in Japan. And that stuff has no shelf life so it's got to eaten fast and moved very fast too.

Fish are caught and have high dollar value. Does it really matter who eats the fish? And BFT is a hardly a poor person's dinner.

They catch fish to sell fish. That's all of commercial fishing.


I agree.If the Bluefin Giants all get exported to Japan NOAA should close it down. We are not feeding Americans we are exporting them.Sport fishermen are allowed to keep one giant per year.Commercial hook and line and harpooners have a different set of rules. This is only part of the problem.

[Gumada]

My question is how did the commercial guys who ruin everything change the Gulf Stream.

We all know it's them.



Mystery solved !!!!!:D:D:D

[Bob T.]

From what I’ve read I would guess that water quality has something to do with having to go out further to catch tuna. Captain Monty Hawkins out of OC, Maryland describes the line between plankton rich green water and blue water as gradually moving offshore at the same time as tuna catches moving offshore. Oyster habitat in the bays (Delaware, Chesapeake) has been diminished. Oysters play a huge part in filtering out the stuff we humans load the water with including pesticides and pollution that runs off our highways and strip malls into the water system. There is an old saying,”Everything depends on everything else@.

[bunker dunker]

i'm glad i was in on the good tuna fishing.when we only had to go to the klondike
to catch bluefins and the 6 & 9 miles lumps to catch yellows.seems like when all the bait {sand eels,whiting,mackerel} left so did they.we had real 100lb yellowfins and bigger.we had those years in the 80's when you could hand feed them there was so many.i am very glad i took my sons when they were real young so they could be part of it.i don't think i ever used bait,just jigged.sure do miss that fishing.

[AndyS]

Factory ships that run 24/7/365.

[Capt. Lou]

The gulf stream maybe a small part of this tuna issue but in my opinion the rod n reel tuna commercial fisherman barely catch enough to make a living . On the other sign of the coin pirate LL and trawlers take the lions share . They alone are killing the fishery, sportfisherman never really made a dent in the tuna population .
We expiernced some great tuna fishing years back right off the NY bight . Giants were literally in our back yard , 17 Fathoms , BA , Farms , Mud Hole,S Rocks and many lumps to south n east all produced tuna Giants included .
I loved tuna fishing and pursued them anytime I had the chance and it’s a shame this inshore tuna fishery is all but gone !
We also had a good inshore run of mid size tuna almost every fall into winter on the inshore edge of the mud hole and various spots along our coast , they now refer to this late run as ghosts , with good reason hardly any show up and most offshore way offshore .
So I was glad to partake in this fishery for over 35 seasons , I fished them commercially RNR as well locally and in NE , like I said RNR guys never put a dent in this fishery .
When Canyon fishing began in earnest early 70’s this would deflect inshore tuna efforts but it couldn’t stop the constant loss of inshore tuna as bait , mackerel, and many species of ground fish disappeared !
Gotta ask where was NOAA then ??

[NoLimit]

From what I’ve read I would guess that water quality has something to do with having to go out further to catch tuna. Captain Monty Hawkins out of OC, Maryland describes the line between plankton rich green water and blue water as gradually moving offshore at the same time as tuna catches moving offshore. Oyster habitat in the bays (Delaware, Chesapeake) has been diminished. Oysters play a huge part in filtering out the stuff we humans load the water with including pesticides and pollution that runs off our highways and strip malls into the water system. There is an old saying,”Everything depends on everything else@.

Stripers have come back strong once the slaughter was ended by the trawlers...the same thing would happen with tuna if they stopped decimating juvenile stocks

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

^^^^^ You make too much sense ^^^^^

[dakota560]

Technological advancements with commercial over harvest as Fred eluded to coupled with an increasing global demand for fish are slowly killing one fishery after another. Sustainable fisheries boils down to a simple equation, reproduction has to eclipse annual harvest....period. In too many fisheries, stocks aren't protected during spawn, breeders are being over harvested and the balance that existed for years is being disrupted by commercial over harvest. Sign of a healthy fishery is a balanced mix of varying size fish which used to be the case years ago. Blue-fin tuna, footballs, mediums and giants, all abundantly available seasonally within 20 miles of the coast every year back in the day. And there was sufficient bait to sustain them which has also been wiped out by government intervention horse trading the resource with Russia coupled with domestic commercial over harvest. Whiting, ling, cod, mackerel, herring, sand eels all were the food source. Pick one, 40 - 50 years ago every one of them was insanely abundant, today none of them are. Each one wiped out by commercial greed. Flounder, quantity and fish of all sizes years ago. Today we have neither, the biomass has been irreparably damaged. Fluke which we've beaten to death, biomass is there but composition has been thrown out of balance by the people tasked with protecting it and the build up of a winter commercial fishery during the spawn that is the most idiotic thing fisheries management could allow. Recruitment numbers have been in a free fall for 20 years, may be time to do something different by closing the fishery during the spawn and assessing the impact in recruitment over the next three years. We overthink fisheries management in certain cases, in my opinion it's a more simple solution domestically than we believe it to be but politics, power and greed always seem to trump logic. And unfortunately the recreational angler ends up fronting a majority of the tab for that dichotomy. Pelagic species on the other hand face a different set of challenges as world demand for fish, especially sushi grade tuna, explodes. No fish with the price on their head that tuna have will rebound until one of two things happen. The stock crashes and it's economically not feasible to sustain a commercial fishery or regulations are imposed on an international basis to manage the stock which more likely than not won't happen until the stocks are pushed to the brink. The world's oceans are trending in the wrong direction and I assure you it's not from recreational fishing pressure and never will be.

[Blind Squirrel]

Sorry, you couldn't ever convince me that anything the radical leftist, one worlder Weather Channel says is factual..

Tough to sell the "global warming" myth to people that are still freezing their asses off on a daily basis... bob

People are always freezing their asses off somewhere on this planet on a daily basis, Bob, and while North America was doing it this year, the Arctic was melting in the dead of winter (https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/02/27/collapse-polar-vortex-arctic-melting-winter/#55b50a839cd2). Weather isn't climate, the US isn't the entire globe, and scientific fact might be radical to some, but it's hardly leftist.

[Blind Squirrel]

Stripers have come back strong once the slaughter was ended by the trawlers...the same thing would happen with tuna if they stopped decimating juvenile stocks
Since tuna are pelagic and commercially prized worldwide, local regulations that work for inshore species like striped bass have limited if any success in restoring their numbers. Habitat changes caused by global climate change only move them to different locations at various times; the real problem is stock depletion from overfishing, whether in US waters or somewhere else.

[Krablips]

Yes, my father use to go in the 1960-70. Only had to go out 20 miles or so. There just weren’t as many fish. Could be overfishing. Also, I think 1600 years ago people were still hunting Wooly Mammoths and not measuring the speed of ocean currents.

[Krablips]

i'm glad i was in on the good tuna fishing.when we only had to go to the klondike
to catch bluefins and the 6 & 9 miles lumps to catch yellows.seems like when all the bait {sand eels,whiting,mackerel} left so did they.we had real 100lb yellowfins and bigger.we had those years in the 80's when you could hand feed them there was so many.i am very glad i took my sons when they were real young so they could be part of it.i don't think i ever used bait,just jigged.sure do miss that fishing.

People often overlook salinity. Yes, salinity levels change throughout the oceans and do have an impact on migratory patterns. Also, many fish require specific concentrations in order to reproduce.

[Capt. Debbie]

Blue fin tuna on the Klondike in the 1980's? Maybe blue fish and a suicidal Spanish mackerel? I ran charters out of Shark River in the 1980s-90's and missed that. Baccardi and Triple Wrecks were hot then. You have to overshoot the Klondike by quite a bit.

I guess in the LORAN days and TD's its possible. :)




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i'm glad i was in on the good tuna fishing.when we only had to go to the klondike
to catch bluefins and the 6 & 9 miles lumps to catch yellows.seems like when all the bait {sand eels,whiting,mackerel} left so did they.we had real 100lb yellowfins and bigger.we had those years in the 80's when you could hand feed them there was so many.i am very glad i took my sons when they were real young so they could be part of it.i don't think i ever used bait,just jigged.sure do miss that fishing.

[bunker dunker]

no the bluefins were a bit earlier maybe but not much.i started working the deck in 1974 and we had lots of footballs there.there were tuna floating dead in all the marinas.so maybe mid to late 70's and giants and yellowfins on the lumps.
i was on a trip with Ray burke when he had the optimist.we were on the 6 mile
catching good yellowfin.