President for the fisherman

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

http://https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/21/go-fish-under-president-trump-changing-political-tide-opens-water-anglers/384747002/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/21/go-fish-under-president-trump-changing-political-tide-opens-water-anglers/384747002/)

[torchee]

Less regulations for recreational = good

Less regulations for commercial = ??????????

[NoLimit]

This is great news - a President that is finally listening to us. He might be the best since FDR and I have to believe he is going to be pro active - developing strategies to increase stocks too.

How exactly can we increase fluke and flounder numbers? The obvious one is to stop targeting breeders. The other one has to be habitat renewal. Trawlers have dug up all the offshore eel grass and flattened lumps. There has to be a way to renew this stuff.

[reason162]

He might be the best since FDR

Tell me, seriously...did you type that with a straight face? :)

[Capt Joe]

The other one has to be habitat renewal. Trawlers have dug up all the offshore eel grass and flattened lumps. There has to be a way to renew this stuff.

Nobody hates commercials more than me but this is hilarious:D

[Flygaff]

What are the odd of anything being done in our interest

[Gerry Zagorski]

What are the odd of anything being done in our interest

There's a lot happening right now!!

On the political side, the Modern Fishing Act which serves to give some flexibility in the Magnuson Steven laws that current govern our fisheries is in the Senate and needs to go to the house for approval.

On the science side, the SSFFF has managed to get the results of the Sex/Size study considered in the 2018 Fluke Stock Assessment.

There have also been some recent successes here locally. Last year NJ chose to not accept one of the regulation options for Fluke that were forced on us by the Feds. We fought it and the Secretary of Commerce allowed us to deviate from those options. First time this has ever happened...

Also here in NJ a lot of groups, organizations and fishermen are getting involved in Fisheries Management issues. Yes, it's a lot of work and seems like an uphill battle. Many have tired and thrown in the towel while others continue to get involved and slug it out.

At the end of the day it's apathy and the "nothing's going to change" attitude that has taken away our rights to the resource and thanks to the people who continue to fight, things are finally starting to turn our way.

Still plenty or work and more to get done so don't give up, get involved.

[gomarfish]

Yes, go fish in oil contaminated water. No environmental protection in his proposals.

[bulletbob]

Want to to know something??. I was around during the "Oil Contaminated Water" years before any real environmental regulations... The fishing was WAY better, dirty water notwithstanding..
I think perhaps you may want to consider another political talking point, with all due respect..

Rec anglers and charter captains in the Gulf would go ballistic if someone decided to "clean up" the Gulf and remove the rigs... thats where the fish are.
There is a way in our high tech age to maintain clean water, and sensibly utilize the energy resources we have in abundance in the states.. Do you REALLY think this or any other president wants polluted water, dead fish, poison desolate land??.. All that stuff is radical leftist nonsense... bob

[rumster]

In July, Ross again intervened. This time, he sided with New Jersey to loosen restrictions on the harvest of summer flounder, known as fluke, over the objections of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission..... About time!!!!!
It is not about the right or the left. If DJT is willing to help us then that is great. It is a hell of a lot more than Obama did for us on the regulation front.
As for netters. They definitely loose gear and destroy some structure. I can`t blame them for the eelgrass though.... I always thought that was the result of jet ski`s tearing it up in skinny water. I could be wrong, but eelgrass is synonymous with back bays / tidal areas.

[Capt Joe]

do you really think this or any other president wants polluted water, dead fish, poison desolate land??.. All that stuff is radical leftist nonsense... Bob

amen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[RussH]

I mean, he clearly loves the environment, why should I at all be concerned. It's not like he rescinded a rule that was stopping coal mining operations from contaminating nearby streams and rivers with heavy metals.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/

[bowhunter]

Less regulations for recreational = good

Less regulations for commercial = ??????????

They have to eat also.

[NoLimit]

Yes, go fish in oil contaminated water. No environmental protection in his proposals.

You again? Take your lefty propaganda elsewhere. What you say is a complete lie

[Capt Joe]

I mean, he clearly loves the environment, why should I at all be concerned. It's not like he rescinded a rule that was stopping coal mining operations from contaminating nearby streams and rivers with heavy metals.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/

Nothin' tastier than coal flavored trout....yummy!!!!!!!!!!

[NoLimit]

I mean, he clearly loves the environment, why should I at all be concerned. It's not like he rescinded a rule that was stopping coal mining operations from contaminating nearby streams and rivers with heavy metals.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/

Another complete lie. The 1977 law that prevents mining tailings from materially damaging streams is still in effect.

[NoLimit]

Tell me, seriously...did you type that with a straight face? :)
Youre right - I meant Teddy Roosevelt.

[NoLimit]

I mean, he clearly loves the environment, why should I at all be concerned. It's not like he rescinded a rule that was stopping coal mining operations from contaminating nearby streams and rivers with heavy metals.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/

Those mining properties are reclaimed and actually support more wildlife - hayfields have a lot more nutrition than groves of ash, pine and fir. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coal_Mine_Land_Reclamation.png

[Ry609]

Maybe there can there be more about fishing, and less about judging Presidential success based on fishing and wikipedia articles about acid mine drainage or whatever tf that was?

This site used to be an escape, but now it just feels like scrolling through facebook garbage. Catch you all in the summer when there's actual fishing reports to be read!!

[Gerry Zagorski]

Getting too political here... Closing this post.

[Detour66]

So when will we know about all the changes in our favor in 2018? Can't wait!

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

So when will we know about all the changes in our favor in 2018? Can't wait!

We should see new proposals in April regarding our local fisheries. On a side note, regardless of anyone’s political affiliation, and we all can say plenty about present and prior administrations, the fact that some positive measures were created recently should be viewed as just that. Nothing more, nothing less. We have taken it on the chin many years. We all want to do our part. Just give us a level playing field. I’m sure we can make it work. We have been heard, let’s see where it goes. Thanks to all who are involved.

[torchee]

They have to eat also.

Not against commercial......

but needs to be managed. Look at the cod collapse, the disappearance of whiting....

Bunker is sure better regulated.

[dales529]

We should see new proposals in April regarding our local fisheries. On a side note, regardless of anyone’s political affiliation, and we all can say plenty about present and prior administrations, the fact that some positive measures were created recently should be viewed as just that. Nothing more, nothing less. We have taken it on the chin many years. We all want to do our part. Just give us a level playing field. I’m sure we can make it work. We have been heard, let’s see where it goes. Thanks to all who are involved.

Exactly

[Joey Dah Fish]

Not against commercial......

but needs to be managed. Look at the cod collapse, the disappearance of whiting....

Bunker is sure better regulated.

The commercial fisherman are far more regulated and monitored than the rec side.

[PortlyRedhead]

Tell me, seriously...did you type that with a straight face? :)

I'm with you. How can you compare Donald Trump to the New Deal, no matter your political affiliation?

[NoLimit]

Yep they monitor millions of pounds of juvenile bycatch shoveled back into the water

[Canyonfish]

I'm with Gerry Z. ... don't let this thread get all political.... way to divisive .... and don't start the rec vs. comm pissing match either...... point is that due to all the hard work of the few who represent us rec anglers we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks to all who have put in time and effort and $$ in the fight for rec angler fisheries :)

[bowhunter]

I'm with Gerry Z. ... don't let this thread get all political.... way to divisive .... and don't start the rec vs. comm pissing match either...... point is that due to all the hard work of the few who represent us rec anglers we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks to all who have put in time and effort and $$ in the fight for rec angler fisheries :)

No the point is TRUMP is keeping His word and gutting needless regulation. Political or not that's the name of that tune!

[Capt Sal]

Yep they monitor millions of pounds of juvenile bycatch shoveled back into the water

That is how millions of pounds of juvenile whiting and ling were eliminated by our own commercial fleet in Belford.Only the fish sold are documented. Nets destroy everything not only fish. The bottom of the ocean is disturbed and changed for the worst.It is not a pissing match but the old saying" They have to eat too" has a price that goes with it. It is devastation.Buy them out!

[tombanjo]

There's two things at play which favor onerous rule relaxation or outright change.

1. Bureaucrats take their cues from the top as pleasing the bosses is their #1 priority in keeping their jobs or moving up. The last administration was lousy with radical lefties that had an agenda which went much further than just being stewards of the environment.

2. Consumer confidence, so to speak. Just like the economy took off on the belief that the current administration was business friendly, all other depressed concerns will follow suit being energized with the possibility of change after being induced toward apathy for so long.

[bowhunter]

That is how millions of pounds of juvenile whiting and ling were eliminated by our own commercial fleet in Belford.Only the fish sold are documented. Nets destroy everything not only fish. The bottom of the ocean is disturbed and changed for the worst.It is not a pissing match but the old saying" They have to eat too" has a price that goes with it. It is devastation.Buy them out!

Buy them out? What about people that want to eat fish? What about catholic people? What are they going to eat on Friday? Close every seafood restaurant too? I can't believe the selfishness.

[Charlie B]

Buy them out? What about people that want to eat fish? What about catholic people? What are they going to eat on Friday? Close every seafood restaurant too? I can't believe the selfishness.

How right you are. I do enjoy going out to eat and I like seafood. And how about when you go to buy bait? How did the bait get to the bait shop? Commercial fishing has a place in our lives. But wasteful practices and destructive gear do not. And we may just have too many people in the commercial fishing business. Put tighter limits on the amount of commercial licences issued and open seasons. The ones remaining would still make a living, maybe a better living. Supply and demand would take care of that. Paying more for seafood is better than not having seafood due to overfishing and destroying the fishery...Charlie

[Capt Joe]

what about catholic people? What are they going to eat on friday? Close every seafood restaurant too? I can't believe the selfishness.

Hilarious!

[bowhunter]

Hilarious!

The only thing funnier are Your fishing reports.:)

[NoLimit]

How right you are. I do enjoy going out to eat and I like seafood. And how about when you go to buy bait? How did the bait get to the bait shop? Commercial fishing has a place in our lives. But wasteful practices and destructive gear do not. And we may just have too many people in the commercial fishing business. Put tighter limits on the amount of commercial licences issued and open seasons. The ones remaining would still make a living, maybe a better living. Supply and demand would take care of that. Paying more for seafood is better than not having seafood due to overfishing and destroying the fishery...Charlie

Trawling is tearing up habitat and annihilating the juvenile populations of non targeted species. If people want supermarket fish, let them eat farmed fish. There is far more farmed salmon eaten than wild salmon. Same holds true for shrimp, oysters, and trout.

If we stop trawling, commercial fishermen will be able to make a fine living pin fishing or limited long lines.

[Capt Joe]

What about catholic people? What are they going to eat on Friday? Close every seafood restaurant too? I can't believe the selfishness.

I'll settle as #2 for comedy! You have to admit, this is funny!:D

[Capt Sal]

Buy them out? What about people that want to eat fish? What about catholic people? What are they going to eat on Friday? Close every seafood restaurant too? I can't believe the selfishness.

You twisted what i meant..Selfishness?Gill netters should be bought out period.The bunker boats should only aloud to sell bunker for bait not omega.The commercial fleet has to be reduced.Buy them out like Florida did because "They have to eat too". At what cost -extinction!

[Capt Sal]

The only thing funnier are Your fishing reports.:)

I think you are a total smuck.You insult Capt. Joe and who ever you want.Maybe we should open the stripers up to netting again! Then what will you report being the super star you are?

[teddysclaw]

1. Environmental protection matters.... regardless of if fishing is better in polluted waters... Craziest sh** I've heard in a while. To answer the asinine question "Do you think presidents want oil polluted waters?", No, I don't think they want that. Do they want the money and support that comes from oil companies and other industry lobbyists? Yes. So.... their greed usually wins out. Just a fact of life. It happens regardless of political affiliation, so let's not make it sound like Trump is some angel. Can we please stop politicizing fishing on this board?

2. Please stop comparing the commercial fishery to the rec sector. Commercials waste so much more than any rec industry could. It's just a fact. Bycatch is by far and away the greatest killer of juvenile and non-targeted species. Netting has a negative impact on the environment. Fact. Is it feasible to shut down the commercial fishery? No. Is it reasonable to want increased monitoring and better regulations regarding bycatch? Absolutely.

[rumster]

The only thing funnier are Your fishing reports.:)

Bowhunter, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but dumping on Captain Joe is wrong. The guy has forgotten more than 99.9 percent of the people on this site could ever wish to know.... It is easy to pump out things that we regret later. I have done it myself . Lets try to keep things positive.

[bowhunter]

I think you are a total smuck.You insult Capt. Joe and who ever you want.Maybe we should open the stripers up to netting again! Then what will you report being the super star you are?

That makes perfect sense.

[bowhunter]

Bowhunter, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but dumping on Captain Joe is wrong. The guy has forgotten more than 99.9 percent of the people on this site could ever wish to know.... It is easy to pump out things that we regret later. I have done it myself . Lets try to keep things positive.

I didn't dump on Him. He dumped on My opinion. So I told Him mine. Just because He's a party boat guy doesn't make Him beyond reproach.